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on this episode of skeptico

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a show about looking like you're in

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control

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i i think the biggest concern for a

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is not looking foolish so

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let's say that is true let's say they do

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have 70 years of information

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that proves undoubtedly or everything

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that we think is happening is actually

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happening

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how do you release that information

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responsibly

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how do you do

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it

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and to show about what we're willing to

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give up

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in order to feel protected

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we live in a world that has walls and

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those walls have to be guarded by men

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with guns you don't want the truth

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because deep down in places you don't

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talk about at parties you want me on

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stick around for my interview with

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creator and host of

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unidentified celebrity review

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welcome to skeptica where we explore

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controversial science and spirituality

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with leading researchers thinkers and

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their critics i'm your host alex sacaris

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and today we welcome

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lou jimenez to skeptico

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i have kind of a cool picture

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of lou up on the screen this is from his

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unidentified celebrity review

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podcast which is gotta be the hardest

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working guy in the ufo community

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pumping it out with all these

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unbelievable interviews that he does so

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many times a week

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lou is also comedian actor

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impressive imdb page i mean

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some people put up an imdb and they just

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have like a couple of credits

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you got a lot of

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uh well yeah man that's that's 20 years

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of my life right there that you're

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showing you know it it was

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it's been a long long road you know it's

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still continuing it's not over um

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but yeah it's just funny yeah it's

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i haven't looked at that in a while so

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when you bring it up it's always like

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yeah that's pretty well they do have

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um and i've worked with some really

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really cool people so yeah it's been

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that right there's a resume of a working

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but you know still struggling actors

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world and you never know when that that

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that one role is right around the corner

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that's right that's right you know and

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we were we're chatting just a minute ago

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about actors because you're obviously

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interested in that and drawn to that and

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you're also drawn to comedy too which i

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think is kind of an interesting

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angle on this

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but what we're really going to talk

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about today is this

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really amazing amazing ufo channel that

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you've developed on youtube and i say

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amazing because i think you bring that

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sensibility you know how to engage with

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people you know how to entertain us

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but man you know you're you know the

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game i mean do you know the the

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topic you're talking about

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i don't know man i i i've got

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comedy i think there was a couple of

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first sketch groups i ever came across

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and became obsessed with and then i saw

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um whose line is it anyway and i was

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that looks like a blast just making

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stuff up on the spot

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into it you find there's a term uh in

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the improv community called group mind

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the audience is absolutely into it and

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then you as performers are

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making things up but at the same time

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you're able to know exactly the thing

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no matter what happens on the show

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um i immediately fall to that training

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say something because something needs to

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awkwardness i think that leads to even

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different thinking

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in what you're conversing about so

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consider myself a journalist at all um

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am trained in listening

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like listening uh to other people and

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doing uh body language movie like you

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know all those things that i do on stage

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people i also try and do and and read

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the room and read your audience things

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like that that's what comes through to

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and that in you saying if you're not a

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journalist i mean these are such amazing

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amazing times that we live in

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the topic you are covering

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can't be a more important topic i mean

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ultimate fundamental questions and then

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to think about the time that we're in

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where whatever we think of big brother

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government it is big brother and big

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brother has come out and said all right

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it's real you know we've denied it for

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70 years now we're telling you it's real

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you're interviewing all the top people

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this is the journalistic scoop of all

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time isn't it yeah i mean look i got

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super lucky what essentially happened

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is i met lou elizondo while i was

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working in a restaurant and um

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but i also i'm an actor i'm very

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self-conscious i i didn't want anybody

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looking at me like i was a weirdo or

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new cbs pilot um i mean those are

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restaurant this day and this happened

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and i'd love to talk to you again for my

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channel that i started a year ago and he

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um and you know when he agreed to do our

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anybody we want to make sure that people

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and conflicting information to to be

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something worthy of looking at so we

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it a lot of people are just going to

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all every bit of louisando i've only

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it's a lot compared to some other people

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you know if you're trying to educate

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your audience of okay who is elizondo

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what does he mean to this discussion

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he's a gentleman who ran a government

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program called atip advanced aerospace

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threat identification program

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and essentially helped he was a

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whistleblower he helped release three

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videos

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um and

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and

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um

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cooperating pilot testimony in 2017 in

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the new york times article and

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that was essentially

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the the realization that our government

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has a lot more information on the

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subject of uaps and ufos the government

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likes to call them uaps because there's

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a lot less stigma to it uap means

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unidentified aerial phenomena ufo

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unidentified flying object

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um but

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so that's sort of his

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his uh in a quick nutshell and there's a

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lot to it uh but that's sort of who he

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is um who he is as a person i mean he's

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he's a war hero you know he's been

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involved with catching terrorists

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uh in kali sheikh mohammed um you know

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from what we could see he is the most

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we've always for me i've always wanted a

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government i'm like why don't more

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government officials come forward and

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say if there is something to this why

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don't they come forward more and do more

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whistleblowing in

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in the case of elizondo and he's got the

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most bona fides out of anybody that's

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ever come out from within the government

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and so i think those bona fides are what

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add legitimacy to this story um

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you know so that's who he is in a short

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nutshell from my perspective so so my

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first kind of encounter with even the

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name was

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i interviewed uh leslie kane you know

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you know leslie kanis interviewed her a

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couple times and you know she's kind of

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really interested in

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afterlife kind of stuff too did a

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netflix series was top 10 on netflix all

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about after yeah we wrote a book about

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it very good book and before that she

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wrote

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what was at the time

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one of the most respected ufo books

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you know a generals

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government officials something go on the

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record stuff so then she's the one who

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breaks the new york times story like you

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said december 2017 which

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again a lot of people don't even get

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what an important date that is you know

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yeah but her and ralph blumenthal

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interviewed them both on the show but my

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first reaction was

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[\h__\h] leslie

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ko intel pro i mean give me a break you

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go to the pentagon and they put you in a

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private room and they

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walk in lou elizondo and they say okay

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here's the thing

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here's the story and by the way it's

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declassified i mean

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how does this not

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stink from high heaven as a a fed story

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no it's a great question i think

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it's very easy for us to go there right

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because the government has been caught

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doing a lot of nefarious [\h__\h] in the

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past and

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and that's where my mind went to when i

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heard the

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the name of the program advanced

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aerial threat identification program i'm

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42 years old i was born in 1980 since

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the day i was born we've been sold

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nothing but threats and war

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and and look at the world around us

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today is because the consequences of

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this

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of our foreign policy constantly needing

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a threat to survive to get the new

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contracts to build the new planes to do

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to improve on a nuclear weapon like it

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blows my mind that there's still a part

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of our budget that is going toward

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making a bigger bomb than what we

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already have it's like i don't

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understand it it'll i'll never

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understand it and um

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so i understand from uh

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from just a citizen's perspective all of

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this [\h__\h] is coming from the government

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all of it

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roswell came from the air force you know

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and it's so funny because most of these

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people who hate louis lozano or don't

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like his story are all very

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anti-government but when you talk to

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them they believe everything about

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roswell and it's like both of these

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things came from our government both of

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these stories came from our government

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um it's it's it's easy to paint that

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brush

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of skepticism over this story it's super

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easy and it's very um

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i don't know what i'm looking for but

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it's it's easy to pursue because hell

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the government lies all the time all

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they do is lie they've perfected mine so

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yeah i i think

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is and we're really focused on

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especially when we come back is a what

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have you done for me today attitude

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what information have you released today

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what what is

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what is the thing that catches my

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attention is that lawmakers

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are

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paying attention to this and write

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writing laws and legislation to look at

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this more closely and other things as

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well within

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the umbrella of that bill

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um yeah it's tough it's tough i mean

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because especially in the last you know

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two months

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you know we've learned of sock puppet

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accounts we've learned of um

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of uh you know right now

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we're talking about somebody who's been

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fired uh within the dod who is

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apparently louis lozando's boss

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and the woman that he was sexually

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harassing has now taken his place within

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that department which seems

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it just seems like a circus it's

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absolutely bonkers

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um

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so you know our

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our perspectives have changed on a lot

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of things and i think that's the beauty

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of the show is like you see the growth

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of it like it it this subject gets you

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in this rollercoaster of ups and downs

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of like oh my god this is absolutely

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real holy cow this is

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this smells and looks like [\h__\h]

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um

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so

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walking that line is difficult in my

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opinion

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the thing for me and this is just for me

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and i don't expect anybody to believe

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this or take this as as proof because

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i'll never make you

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take my story as proof i've seen one of

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these things up close and personal when

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i was a young man

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it changed my perspective on a lot of

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things so for me i i

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i know they're real but it's not what

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i'm putting on the table is proof i've

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got to really try and leave that out of

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the conversation but the other thing

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that i really look at

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that sort of leads me to believe that

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there's there isn't there there that

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something is there

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what it is i have no clue but

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is that again these lawmakers are going

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into classified meetings they're looking

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at um

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they're looking at data collected by

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the best instruments on the planet

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within our military industrial complex

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and they're coming out of these meetings

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and going

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uh this information is not getting to

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the right people we're not reacting to

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this information correctly uh and we

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need a little more clarity on what the

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hell is in our skies whether it's drones

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swarms of drones um or unidentified

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aerial phenomena that is

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displaying technologies far beyond

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what anyone is capable of well on one

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hand i think anyone who's talking about

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this from a purely

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ufos aren't real e.t isn't real that's a

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flat earth kind of mentality to me i

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don't even worry about that

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the thing that that i think is very real

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and you tuned into it is co intel pro

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political psyop i mean these guys have a

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long history of lying do you know uh

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this is see i'm kind of old school in

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this i've been doing this for a long

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time and i've interviewed all these

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people a long time ago

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that aren't even on the scene but do you

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remember colonel john alexander

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yes

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so for the longest time

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you know he was the guy who said look

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i am a colonel been in intelligence for

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20 years if there's any truth to this i

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would know because i know all the people

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who would know and there's no truth to

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any of this

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and he held this line for just the

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longest [\h__\h] time and thing after

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thing and danny sheen even you know

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confronted him with we can talk about

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danny sheen and you know you don't know

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what to make of him either but danny

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shannon's like look in the face of this

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in the face of this and he just did that

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you know

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stick the chin out like a colonel and

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said it's not real it didn't happen so i

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interviewed him

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a.d after disclosure and said hey

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what's up

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and he goes well i was wrong now let's

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talk about my new book on shamanism and

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all the rest of this [\h__\h]

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and i'm like

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oh man that ain't good enough

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that ain't good enough it's like richard

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dodie you know

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look like the one thing john alexander

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said

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that was the moment of like

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non-co-intel

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[\h__\h] he said if richard dodie did

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the [\h__\h] that he said he did he should

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be in jail he should be in leavenworth

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and richard doty in case we have to

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remind people is the guy who did this

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just dirty nasty

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psychological warfare on a guy named

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paul benowitz who was a patriotic

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flag raisin

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just american citizen who happened to

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live across from uh from kirkland in

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new mexico and saw stuff and was just

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like hey guys just want to make sure

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you're aware of this and they just

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totally

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[\h__\h] the guy over every which way and

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dodie was proud of it dodie was like hey

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man i did a good job that's what they

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wanted me to do and i did it and can you

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believe that flag

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waving idiot you know is like falling

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for all the stuff so it's like

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how do we clear why isn't that the first

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question for

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lou

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well what about john alexander

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what about richard doty to what extent

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do you

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separate yourself

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from

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this

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00:21:27,750 --> 00:21:25,200
[\h__\h] that's been run on us

561
00:21:29,110 --> 00:21:27,760
with regard to ufos

562
00:21:33,510 --> 00:21:29,120
yeah i think

563
00:21:35,590 --> 00:21:33,520
i mean it's hard it's hard to like

564
00:21:36,870 --> 00:21:35,600
ask him that question because obviously

565
00:21:38,310 --> 00:21:36,880
he wasn't there he didn't run those

566
00:21:40,549 --> 00:21:38,320
programs he was in charge of those

567
00:21:41,669 --> 00:21:40,559
people he he had nothing to do with any

568
00:21:44,230 --> 00:21:41,679
of those people

569
00:21:45,430 --> 00:21:44,240
so but i understand that those people

570
00:21:47,029 --> 00:21:45,440
also

571
00:21:48,149 --> 00:21:47,039
are the reason why we should be

572
00:21:51,190 --> 00:21:48,159
skeptical

573
00:21:53,909 --> 00:21:51,200
they they're perfect examples of why

574
00:21:55,430 --> 00:21:53,919
we shouldn't trust anyone we shouldn't

575
00:21:56,710 --> 00:21:55,440
we shouldn't trust anyone on this

576
00:21:58,789 --> 00:21:56,720
conversation

577
00:22:02,870 --> 00:21:58,799
until scientific papers start coming

578
00:22:05,430 --> 00:22:02,880
down the line you know until until real

579
00:22:06,789 --> 00:22:05,440
research on this that is shared publicly

580
00:22:09,990 --> 00:22:06,799
what would you what would you want to

581
00:22:12,470 --> 00:22:10,000
see from scientific papers i mean here's

582
00:22:13,750 --> 00:22:12,480
an interview you did let me pull this up

583
00:22:15,430 --> 00:22:13,760
i mean

584
00:22:16,630 --> 00:22:15,440
because i've talked to all these people

585
00:22:18,470 --> 00:22:16,640
too

586
00:22:19,510 --> 00:22:18,480
yeah well we'll talk about chris lambert

587
00:22:21,350 --> 00:22:19,520
and then

588
00:22:23,430 --> 00:22:21,360
yeah oh you did

589
00:22:25,590 --> 00:22:23,440
like again back to the point you do

590
00:22:28,230 --> 00:22:25,600
great interviews like the christian

591
00:22:29,990 --> 00:22:28,240
lambright you knew your stuff you're

592
00:22:31,830 --> 00:22:30,000
asking the right questions you're

593
00:22:33,990 --> 00:22:31,840
listening and when people try and take

594
00:22:36,149 --> 00:22:34,000
another direction you go no no come back

595
00:22:38,070 --> 00:22:36,159
to the timeline because the timeline is

596
00:22:40,470 --> 00:22:38,080
what's so important in his story because

597
00:22:43,190 --> 00:22:40,480
he's the paul bennowitz guy and really

598
00:22:44,470 --> 00:22:43,200
reveals the truth about that and there's

599
00:22:46,470 --> 00:22:44,480
lou which

600
00:22:48,149 --> 00:22:46,480
i don't know just

601
00:22:49,590 --> 00:22:48,159
i mean like you said you put your finger

602
00:22:51,669 --> 00:22:49,600
on it threat

603
00:22:53,190 --> 00:22:51,679
okay so that's what this is about that's

604
00:22:54,789 --> 00:22:53,200
all that comes out of your mind threat

605
00:22:57,750 --> 00:22:54,799
threat threat

606
00:22:59,990 --> 00:22:57,760
but um here's the interview you did

607
00:23:02,070 --> 00:23:00,000
i mean you did a fantastic number of

608
00:23:04,310 --> 00:23:02,080
interviews with melinda leslie

609
00:23:07,190 --> 00:23:04,320
yeah i'll call the rest of these people

610
00:23:09,430 --> 00:23:07,200
melinda leslie just get to the bottom of

611
00:23:11,590 --> 00:23:09,440
that one she goes

612
00:23:14,070 --> 00:23:11,600
it's about abduction it's about that

613
00:23:16,870 --> 00:23:14,080
kind of level of contact i've had it

614
00:23:19,029 --> 00:23:16,880
i've studied it for 40 years interviewed

615
00:23:21,510 --> 00:23:19,039
hundreds and hundreds of people and what

616
00:23:23,430 --> 00:23:21,520
does she say this gets into my world lou

617
00:23:26,549 --> 00:23:23,440
she gets in the first thing it's about

618
00:23:29,190 --> 00:23:26,559
is consciousness they want to know about

619
00:23:31,430 --> 00:23:29,200
psychic stuff they show you how to be

620
00:23:33,669 --> 00:23:31,440
more psychic the rest the next thing

621
00:23:36,549 --> 00:23:33,679
it's about she's saying she's saying

622
00:23:38,630 --> 00:23:36,559
people who've been taken on the craft

623
00:23:40,149 --> 00:23:38,640
and have memories of it here's what they

624
00:23:41,830 --> 00:23:40,159
report and

625
00:23:43,750 --> 00:23:41,840
so and then she says and it's about

626
00:23:46,789 --> 00:23:43,760
technology and it's about all the rest

627
00:23:50,149 --> 00:23:46,799
this stuff i mean when i compare that

628
00:23:52,149 --> 00:23:50,159
with what lou elizondo's saying i'm like

629
00:23:54,070 --> 00:23:52,159
i could care less about any of the

630
00:23:56,390 --> 00:23:54,080
[\h__\h] you're putting out there lou

631
00:23:58,789 --> 00:23:56,400
here's what i want to know is

632
00:24:01,029 --> 00:23:58,799
how is e.t interacting with these people

633
00:24:02,549 --> 00:24:01,039
and changing their consciousness some

634
00:24:04,390 --> 00:24:02,559
people are saying i had a spirit it's

635
00:24:05,990 --> 00:24:04,400
like a spiritual awakening experience

636
00:24:07,430 --> 00:24:06,000
all the rest that

637
00:24:09,990 --> 00:24:07,440
i mean

638
00:24:11,830 --> 00:24:10,000
you're you're an experiencer where does

639
00:24:14,710 --> 00:24:11,840
this stuff hit you doesn't it hit you at

640
00:24:16,149 --> 00:24:14,720
that fundamental level of who am i why

641
00:24:18,870 --> 00:24:16,159
am i here

642
00:24:20,950 --> 00:24:18,880
i mean it does but the problem is is

643
00:24:23,269 --> 00:24:20,960
that we've been asking that those

644
00:24:25,750 --> 00:24:23,279
questions for such a long time and and

645
00:24:27,590 --> 00:24:25,760
they're not moving the ball anywhere

646
00:24:29,990 --> 00:24:27,600
you know i just don't know if we're even

647
00:24:32,549 --> 00:24:30,000
ready for the answer to those questions

648
00:24:34,390 --> 00:24:32,559
i think we've got to simplify it more

649
00:24:36,470 --> 00:24:34,400
we've got to be able to get everybody on

650
00:24:38,710 --> 00:24:36,480
the same page i love belinda leslie the

651
00:24:40,950 --> 00:24:38,720
deficit guys she's a fascinating person

652
00:24:43,510 --> 00:24:40,960
to talk to but like when i lay it out

653
00:24:45,350 --> 00:24:43,520
for i don't think there's anything to

654
00:24:47,269 --> 00:24:45,360
this my laps i really don't i don't

655
00:24:49,909 --> 00:24:47,279
think there's any proof of it at all i

656
00:24:50,950 --> 00:24:49,919
think to hide a program that large

657
00:24:52,149 --> 00:24:50,960
would

658
00:24:54,390 --> 00:24:52,159
take

659
00:24:56,149 --> 00:24:54,400
thousands and thousands and thousands of

660
00:24:58,470 --> 00:24:56,159
people to pull off

661
00:25:01,430 --> 00:24:58,480
uh the budget would be almost impossible

662
00:25:03,750 --> 00:25:01,440
to hide and and i compared it to mk

663
00:25:06,710 --> 00:25:03,760
ultra mk ultra was a program that ran

664
00:25:08,310 --> 00:25:06,720
for 20 years it was a really small very

665
00:25:10,230 --> 00:25:08,320
few people knew about it

666
00:25:11,990 --> 00:25:10,240
but when the program was over two years

667
00:25:14,630 --> 00:25:12,000
later they were asking about in a

668
00:25:16,710 --> 00:25:14,640
congress and then we had hearings about

669
00:25:18,230 --> 00:25:16,720
it and then the public people the public

670
00:25:20,549 --> 00:25:18,240
knew about it she's talking about a

671
00:25:21,750 --> 00:25:20,559
program that's been going on for 80

672
00:25:25,830 --> 00:25:21,760
years

673
00:25:27,830 --> 00:25:25,840
um i just i can't

674
00:25:28,810 --> 00:25:27,840
i can't wrap my brain around that kind

675
00:25:30,149 --> 00:25:28,820
of stuff um

676
00:25:33,590 --> 00:25:30,159
[Music]

677
00:25:37,029 --> 00:25:33,600
you know as far as lou's concerned i

678
00:25:42,789 --> 00:25:40,310
you know again signing nbas and i and i

679
00:25:44,230 --> 00:25:42,799
hate to make this excuse but

680
00:25:49,190 --> 00:25:44,240
there are things you can't talk about

681
00:25:53,830 --> 00:25:51,350
the thing that matters to me i i'm at

682
00:25:56,070 --> 00:25:53,840
this point i'm i'm like i don't care who

683
00:25:58,149 --> 00:25:56,080
the personality is anymore i'm so

684
00:26:00,470 --> 00:25:58,159
concentrated on what are what are

685
00:26:02,070 --> 00:26:00,480
lawmakers doing to get more information

686
00:26:03,909 --> 00:26:02,080
on this i want to see nuts and bolts

687
00:26:05,750 --> 00:26:03,919
things so when you ask me what more

688
00:26:07,269 --> 00:26:05,760
could science do science hasn't paid

689
00:26:09,510 --> 00:26:07,279
attention to this at all they're just

690
00:26:10,870 --> 00:26:09,520
now getting to it you know when you've

691
00:26:12,950 --> 00:26:10,880
got uh

692
00:26:14,870 --> 00:26:12,960
harvard professor avi loeb looking at

693
00:26:16,870 --> 00:26:14,880
this topic in a very serious way trying

694
00:26:18,310 --> 00:26:16,880
to get money to look at this topic in a

695
00:26:21,190 --> 00:26:18,320
very serious way

696
00:26:23,430 --> 00:26:21,200
um i think i think those

697
00:26:25,350 --> 00:26:23,440
hopefully those discoveries will lead us

698
00:26:27,590 --> 00:26:25,360
into the conversations of okay how do

699
00:26:29,669 --> 00:26:27,600
these things consciously connect with us

700
00:26:31,990 --> 00:26:29,679
do they if they do what are the

701
00:26:34,710 --> 00:26:32,000
consequences of that or what are the

702
00:26:37,510 --> 00:26:34,720
the pros of that those there's a lot

703
00:26:40,310 --> 00:26:37,520
it's it's a can it's pandora's box it's

704
00:26:41,510 --> 00:26:40,320
a can of worms it's there's once you

705
00:26:44,230 --> 00:26:41,520
once you

706
00:26:47,190 --> 00:26:44,240
solidify one part of this conversation

707
00:26:49,909 --> 00:26:47,200
it leads to 15 billion other questions

708
00:26:52,149 --> 00:26:49,919
that have to be taken one at a time and

709
00:26:54,310 --> 00:26:52,159
that's not going to happen overnight and

710
00:26:56,149 --> 00:26:54,320
i don't think there's one person or one

711
00:26:58,549 --> 00:26:56,159
messenger that's gonna come out and give

712
00:27:00,230 --> 00:26:58,559
us all the answers we're looking for

713
00:27:03,110 --> 00:27:00,240
it's just not gonna happen i think it's

714
00:27:05,350 --> 00:27:03,120
too complicated um i think we're we're

715
00:27:08,390 --> 00:27:05,360
scratching at the surface of something

716
00:27:10,630 --> 00:27:08,400
so immensely foreign

717
00:27:13,830 --> 00:27:10,640
to the human consciousness and

718
00:27:16,470 --> 00:27:13,840
subconsciousness that we really have no

719
00:27:18,950 --> 00:27:16,480
clue what we're tapping into or doing

720
00:27:22,070 --> 00:27:18,960
when it comes to this stuff

721
00:27:24,549 --> 00:27:22,080
and uh so yeah i mean

722
00:27:27,590 --> 00:27:24,559
it's i understand that people want those

723
00:27:28,470 --> 00:27:27,600
answers and i get it um but i just don't

724
00:27:31,909 --> 00:27:28,480
know

725
00:27:34,230 --> 00:27:31,919
if we're ready for it yet

726
00:27:36,630 --> 00:27:34,240
okay and if we are how do we explain it

727
00:27:39,269 --> 00:27:36,640
to people that's the other thing like

728
00:27:41,350 --> 00:27:39,279
how do we explain this kind of stuff to

729
00:27:43,110 --> 00:27:41,360
the american public

730
00:27:44,870 --> 00:27:43,120
well

731
00:27:47,830 --> 00:27:44,880
now you're sounding now you're sounding

732
00:27:49,750 --> 00:27:47,840
uh lou elizondo-ish you know like look

733
00:27:51,669 --> 00:27:49,760
what we've done in terms of getting hold

734
00:27:54,710 --> 00:27:51,679
it oh no seriously wait it's a tough

735
00:27:57,110 --> 00:27:54,720
conversation though alex like i i like

736
00:27:58,710 --> 00:27:57,120
my sister i use my family as a perfect

737
00:28:00,789 --> 00:27:58,720
example because they have nothing to do

738
00:28:03,430 --> 00:28:00,799
with this stuff they really don't and

739
00:28:05,750 --> 00:28:03,440
they're supportive of me they believe my

740
00:28:07,190 --> 00:28:05,760
experience that i've had right

741
00:28:10,789 --> 00:28:07,200
but do you have to have contact

742
00:28:12,870 --> 00:28:10,799
experience citing experience both i mean

743
00:28:15,029 --> 00:28:12,880
close a close sighting experience not

744
00:28:16,630 --> 00:28:15,039
did it lead to entities

745
00:28:17,909 --> 00:28:16,640
it did it lead to though you know

746
00:28:20,149 --> 00:28:17,919
because a lot of people have had

747
00:28:23,110 --> 00:28:20,159
sighting experiences

748
00:28:25,029 --> 00:28:23,120
it also has kind of a valet davis effect

749
00:28:26,710 --> 00:28:25,039
you know kind of

750
00:28:28,630 --> 00:28:26,720
you know there's a there's an effect to

751
00:28:31,830 --> 00:28:28,640
it that's beyond just the sighting or

752
00:28:35,029 --> 00:28:31,840
for you was it just more like i saw it

753
00:28:37,669 --> 00:28:35,039
yeah no i i saw it was like

754
00:28:39,350 --> 00:28:37,679
it was like um

755
00:28:41,750 --> 00:28:39,360
you know and i know this is a very

756
00:28:44,389 --> 00:28:41,760
simple sort of comparison but it's like

757
00:28:47,110 --> 00:28:44,399
seeing a very rare

758
00:28:49,669 --> 00:28:47,120
athlete or airplane or car that you like

759
00:28:51,510 --> 00:28:49,679
can you see it you're like holy [\h__\h] and

760
00:28:53,830 --> 00:28:51,520
all you want to do is get closer to it

761
00:28:58,070 --> 00:28:53,840
and get a better view of it and that's

762
00:29:00,310 --> 00:28:58,080
what it was um i mean like it absolutely

763
00:29:03,029 --> 00:29:00,320
affected me but i don't think i had i

764
00:29:05,990 --> 00:29:03,039
had no subconscious messages or

765
00:29:10,470 --> 00:29:06,000
downloads or any connection with it in

766
00:29:15,990 --> 00:29:14,310
paraphysical way i i it's it was simply

767
00:29:18,230 --> 00:29:16,000
something that i saw

768
00:29:21,590 --> 00:29:18,240
so i you know i i

769
00:29:24,310 --> 00:29:21,600
i didn't have that kind of ex the the

770
00:29:26,310 --> 00:29:24,320
other elements of of you know

771
00:29:27,830 --> 00:29:26,320
the close encounters through all the way

772
00:29:30,710 --> 00:29:27,840
through ce6

773
00:29:32,389 --> 00:29:30,720
uh if we want to count those um

774
00:29:33,990 --> 00:29:32,399
i didn't have any of that

775
00:29:35,110 --> 00:29:34,000
okay so i'm sorry

776
00:29:38,870 --> 00:29:35,120
your sister

777
00:29:42,149 --> 00:29:38,880
yeah so going back to going back to my

778
00:29:45,350 --> 00:29:42,159
sister my family like when

779
00:29:48,470 --> 00:29:45,360
she tried watching an episode

780
00:29:49,750 --> 00:29:48,480
of the secret of skinwalker ranch which

781
00:29:51,510 --> 00:29:49,760
sort of is

782
00:29:54,149 --> 00:29:51,520
an a very

783
00:29:56,470 --> 00:29:54,159
remedial way to sort of get into this

784
00:29:58,470 --> 00:29:56,480
conversation and sort of even start

785
00:29:59,830 --> 00:29:58,480
considering things like this and it

786
00:30:01,510 --> 00:29:59,840
scared the [\h__\h] out of her she couldn't

787
00:30:04,870 --> 00:30:01,520
watch the whole episode she hasn't

788
00:30:06,870 --> 00:30:04,880
watched the show since then so this is

789
00:30:09,750 --> 00:30:06,880
going to be a very difficult

790
00:30:12,149 --> 00:30:09,760
conversation to have with people it is

791
00:30:14,549 --> 00:30:12,159
um and i do believe that

792
00:30:16,950 --> 00:30:14,559
i look there are parts of louisando that

793
00:30:18,710 --> 00:30:16,960
i think are valuable and and i think

794
00:30:20,070 --> 00:30:18,720
move the conversation forward and then

795
00:30:21,830 --> 00:30:20,080
there are other parts where i look i'm

796
00:30:24,470 --> 00:30:21,840
like man that's not valuable that does

797
00:30:26,630 --> 00:30:24,480
not move the conversation board um you

798
00:30:28,870 --> 00:30:26,640
know i just take what i can and move on

799
00:30:30,870 --> 00:30:28,880
with it um and i think

800
00:30:36,149 --> 00:30:30,880
this part of the message of

801
00:30:41,190 --> 00:30:37,110
go

802
00:30:43,590 --> 00:30:41,200
painters

803
00:30:45,669 --> 00:30:43,600
interpreting cats

804
00:30:47,190 --> 00:30:45,679
from from travelers that came from

805
00:30:48,789 --> 00:30:47,200
different parts of the world for the

806
00:30:50,549 --> 00:30:48,799
first time and you look at these

807
00:30:53,510 --> 00:30:50,559
wonderful painters and they paint

808
00:30:55,350 --> 00:30:53,520
catches google it from the you know 15th

809
00:30:58,070 --> 00:30:55,360
14th century

810
00:31:01,029 --> 00:30:58,080
they look awful they look nothing like

811
00:31:03,909 --> 00:31:01,039
cats and i think this is kind like i can

812
00:31:07,029 --> 00:31:03,919
un i can imagine a world in where our

813
00:31:12,389 --> 00:31:09,909
sees a cat for the first time in the

814
00:31:14,710 --> 00:31:12,399
form of this phenomenon

815
00:31:16,470 --> 00:31:14,720
and they come back and they meet on it

816
00:31:18,149 --> 00:31:16,480
and they have different interpretations

817
00:31:20,789 --> 00:31:18,159
of it and all of their drawings and all

818
00:31:23,350 --> 00:31:20,799
of their research don't paint perfectly

819
00:31:25,269 --> 00:31:23,360
what they saw or what they experienced

820
00:31:27,909 --> 00:31:25,279
and i could understand how they're like

821
00:31:29,269 --> 00:31:27,919
yeah if we can't explain it internally

822
00:31:32,070 --> 00:31:29,279
how the hell are we going to tell

823
00:31:34,070 --> 00:31:32,080
anybody else publicly about this like i

824
00:31:35,669 --> 00:31:34,080
can see how they would get scared and

825
00:31:38,310 --> 00:31:35,679
not and not want to talk about it

826
00:31:39,909 --> 00:31:38,320
honestly and i may disagree with me well

827
00:31:41,909 --> 00:31:39,919
i don't disagree with you i i just think

828
00:31:43,590 --> 00:31:41,919
there's it's like

829
00:31:45,509 --> 00:31:43,600
you're trying to say a bunch of

830
00:31:47,110 --> 00:31:45,519
different things kind of all at once

831
00:31:49,750 --> 00:31:47,120
which i realize you have to because

832
00:31:52,230 --> 00:31:49,760
that's the nature of this topic

833
00:31:54,870 --> 00:31:52,240
yeah on one hand you're saying hey the

834
00:31:57,350 --> 00:31:54,880
government has to protect us and people

835
00:31:59,669 --> 00:31:57,360
hate when they hear that you know but

836
00:32:01,430 --> 00:31:59,679
it's true you know that it's true i mean

837
00:32:03,830 --> 00:32:01,440
on one level that's their fundamental

838
00:32:05,750 --> 00:32:03,840
responsibility is hey the huns are

839
00:32:07,430 --> 00:32:05,760
coming over the hill and you know they

840
00:32:09,509 --> 00:32:07,440
don't give a [\h__\h] they're just gonna do

841
00:32:12,149 --> 00:32:09,519
their thing and we gotta protect that

842
00:32:14,789 --> 00:32:12,159
but then we also would love to believe

843
00:32:17,190 --> 00:32:14,799
that we don't need to be protected from

844
00:32:18,870 --> 00:32:17,200
the truth you know the you can't handle

845
00:32:20,549 --> 00:32:18,880
the truth you can't just you don't

846
00:32:22,549 --> 00:32:20,559
deserve the truth kind of thing which is

847
00:32:25,029 --> 00:32:22,559
kind of a playoff and there's plenty of

848
00:32:27,509 --> 00:32:25,039
evidence that we do we cannot handle the

849
00:32:29,350 --> 00:32:27,519
truth and that there's a role to play

850
00:32:32,310 --> 00:32:29,360
there as well so

851
00:32:33,669 --> 00:32:32,320
we get that but now when we're talking

852
00:32:35,350 --> 00:32:33,679
you and i

853
00:32:38,470 --> 00:32:35,360
we're like okay

854
00:32:40,630 --> 00:32:38,480
pardon me i can't handle the truth so i

855
00:32:43,509 --> 00:32:40,640
want the truth so the truth you know

856
00:32:46,389 --> 00:32:43,519
like melinda leslie okay

857
00:32:48,310 --> 00:32:46,399
my lab thing don't know i agree with you

858
00:32:50,549 --> 00:32:48,320
up in the air on that

859
00:32:52,789 --> 00:32:50,559
but if you just start stacking the

860
00:32:54,950 --> 00:32:52,799
evidence for burden of proof i mean go

861
00:32:57,830 --> 00:32:54,960
to uh richard dolan who you interviewed

862
00:33:00,230 --> 00:32:57,840
here along with grant cameron i've had

863
00:33:02,070 --> 00:33:00,240
plenty of interviews with grant cameron

864
00:33:03,669 --> 00:33:02,080
great guy he's kind of gone overboard on

865
00:33:06,310 --> 00:33:03,679
the consciousness thing without really

866
00:33:08,070 --> 00:33:06,320
understanding i think uh fundamentally

867
00:33:09,990 --> 00:33:08,080
what it's about but nonetheless but

868
00:33:11,509 --> 00:33:10,000
dolan the interesting thing about dolan

869
00:33:14,710 --> 00:33:11,519
is right

870
00:33:17,990 --> 00:33:14,720
he was kind of playing the the straight

871
00:33:21,190 --> 00:33:18,000
line of the historian tilly marries mrs

872
00:33:23,190 --> 00:33:21,200
dolan and miss adult says no man i was

873
00:33:25,590 --> 00:33:23,200
raped by the [\h__\h] aliens you know

874
00:33:27,430 --> 00:33:25,600
what i mean and he knows her and loves

875
00:33:30,310 --> 00:33:27,440
and loves her and sleeps in the same bed

876
00:33:32,310 --> 00:33:30,320
with her and she sounds pretty credible

877
00:33:34,470 --> 00:33:32,320
and he's pretty credible and he's

878
00:33:36,549 --> 00:33:34,480
listened to enough of those stories with

879
00:33:39,669 --> 00:33:36,559
abductees and he's like

880
00:33:42,549 --> 00:33:39,679
no that's real that stuff is happening

881
00:33:45,830 --> 00:33:42,559
so if that stuff is happening unless

882
00:33:46,789 --> 00:33:45,840
dolan is just full of crap and

883
00:33:49,110 --> 00:33:46,799
then

884
00:33:50,630 --> 00:33:49,120
where are we to understand melinda

885
00:33:52,630 --> 00:33:50,640
leslie and you know the other

886
00:33:54,630 --> 00:33:52,640
interesting thing about switching around

887
00:33:57,110 --> 00:33:54,640
for a minute so that would be kind of

888
00:33:58,789 --> 00:33:57,120
question one and and that leads to the i

889
00:34:01,669 --> 00:33:58,799
think the deeper question of good et

890
00:34:03,350 --> 00:34:01,679
versus bad et you know and

891
00:34:06,549 --> 00:34:03,360
just like

892
00:34:08,710 --> 00:34:06,559
good mk ultra versus bad mk ultra if if

893
00:34:11,669 --> 00:34:08,720
you can you know some of that was maybe

894
00:34:13,430 --> 00:34:11,679
for a good purpose let's understand it

895
00:34:15,510 --> 00:34:13,440
because it could mind control could be

896
00:34:18,829 --> 00:34:15,520
happening to our soldiers could be

897
00:34:22,230 --> 00:34:18,839
happening to our american citizens so

898
00:34:24,230 --> 00:34:22,240
mkultra let's figure out what it is and

899
00:34:26,470 --> 00:34:24,240
then the bad part of it the evil part of

900
00:34:28,310 --> 00:34:26,480
it is hey why we're at it why don't we

901
00:34:30,069 --> 00:34:28,320
weaponize it so we can do it to all

902
00:34:32,869 --> 00:34:30,079
these people well

903
00:34:34,869 --> 00:34:32,879
why would we assume that that isn't

904
00:34:38,310 --> 00:34:34,879
going on here we would have to assume

905
00:34:39,750 --> 00:34:38,320
that it is until proven otherwise so

906
00:34:43,510 --> 00:34:39,760
i kind of bounced around with a lot of

907
00:34:44,230 --> 00:34:43,520
things what do you make of the dolans

908
00:34:53,109 --> 00:34:44,240
and

909
00:34:55,589 --> 00:34:53,119
being forced to do kind of some pretty

910
00:34:59,270 --> 00:34:55,599
nasty stuff with e.t

911
00:35:03,030 --> 00:34:59,280
that's his that's his account right

912
00:35:07,109 --> 00:35:03,040
that's his account i mean i i

913
00:35:09,349 --> 00:35:07,119
there's no no there's no proof for it

914
00:35:11,589 --> 00:35:09,359
there's no proof of it there's no study

915
00:35:14,310 --> 00:35:11,599
no uh other than you know uh well

916
00:35:17,589 --> 00:35:14,320
there's this study you know do you know

917
00:35:20,150 --> 00:35:17,599
do you know ray hernandez uh with uh the

918
00:35:21,829 --> 00:35:20,160
edgar mitchell foundation

919
00:35:24,550 --> 00:35:21,839
down there in miami i mean he hasn't

920
00:35:28,069 --> 00:35:24,560
heard the name but i'm not familiar

921
00:35:30,950 --> 00:35:28,079
super sharp guy uh attorney irs attorney

922
00:35:33,750 --> 00:35:30,960
also a phd and or he's getting his phd

923
00:35:37,109 --> 00:35:33,760
just very very smart guy the first

924
00:35:39,750 --> 00:35:37,119
large-scale uh study of contact

925
00:35:42,069 --> 00:35:39,760
experience done in a scientific way leo

926
00:35:44,710 --> 00:35:42,079
sprinkle was a scientist who designed it

927
00:35:47,190 --> 00:35:44,720
a great grant cameron totally hooked

928
00:35:51,270 --> 00:35:47,200
into those guys uh and knows all those

929
00:35:53,990 --> 00:35:51,280
guys so no the data is yes and the data

930
00:35:56,310 --> 00:35:54,000
you know consistently has come back yes

931
00:35:58,710 --> 00:35:56,320
yes yes so when you say there's there's

932
00:36:00,950 --> 00:35:58,720
no evidence for it it's like saying

933
00:36:03,349 --> 00:36:00,960
there's no evidence for uh

934
00:36:05,349 --> 00:36:03,359
near-death experience but here's here's

935
00:36:07,030 --> 00:36:05,359
my thing right that information's out

936
00:36:12,470 --> 00:36:07,040
there

937
00:36:18,710 --> 00:36:15,270
it's not it's not convincing

938
00:36:21,190 --> 00:36:18,720
lawmakers it's not convincing academia

939
00:36:23,670 --> 00:36:21,200
it's not convincing the soccer mom

940
00:36:24,710 --> 00:36:23,680
it's not compelling enough

941
00:36:26,870 --> 00:36:24,720
to get

942
00:36:28,630 --> 00:36:26,880
the entire world talking about it like a

943
00:36:30,710 --> 00:36:28,640
sopranos episode

944
00:36:33,109 --> 00:36:30,720
or you know the last episode of game of

945
00:36:36,230 --> 00:36:33,119
thrones or whatever

946
00:36:37,910 --> 00:36:36,240
i think when this topic is in 60 minutes

947
00:36:40,069 --> 00:36:37,920
it gets on that level

948
00:36:41,829 --> 00:36:40,079
i think when this topic is discussed in

949
00:36:44,870 --> 00:36:41,839
the atlantic

950
00:36:47,349 --> 00:36:44,880
or any one of these high brown magazines

951
00:36:49,349 --> 00:36:47,359
high society magazines

952
00:36:51,109 --> 00:36:49,359
it's being discussed and it's being

953
00:36:53,510 --> 00:36:51,119
taken seriously now

954
00:36:57,190 --> 00:36:53,520
um i think when you hear

955
00:36:59,750 --> 00:36:57,200
conversations between say alex friedman

956
00:37:02,150 --> 00:36:59,760
and gary nolan who are both phds and

957
00:37:04,630 --> 00:37:02,160
looking at different aspects of

958
00:37:05,670 --> 00:37:04,640
consciousness as well

959
00:37:08,230 --> 00:37:05,680
and

960
00:37:10,230 --> 00:37:08,240
you hear about gary nolan every single

961
00:37:12,230 --> 00:37:10,240
one of his speaking engagements that he

962
00:37:14,150 --> 00:37:12,240
goes to at these universities after the

963
00:37:15,510 --> 00:37:14,160
engagements there's a dinner and at

964
00:37:19,030 --> 00:37:15,520
these dinners

965
00:37:21,750 --> 00:37:19,040
at some point this conversation comes up

966
00:37:23,750 --> 00:37:21,760
and then he gives his point of view and

967
00:37:26,150 --> 00:37:23,760
one of two things happens

968
00:37:28,550 --> 00:37:26,160
usually the entire table chimes in with

969
00:37:30,470 --> 00:37:28,560
their own stories or people they know

970
00:37:32,069 --> 00:37:30,480
that saw something crazy or have even

971
00:37:34,390 --> 00:37:32,079
experienced something and then it

972
00:37:37,750 --> 00:37:34,400
becomes a safety and numbers thing

973
00:37:39,510 --> 00:37:37,760
at that table or after the uh the the

974
00:37:41,670 --> 00:37:39,520
dinner someone will come up to him

975
00:37:43,430 --> 00:37:41,680
privately and give him an account and

976
00:37:45,190 --> 00:37:43,440
these are smart people these are very

977
00:37:46,630 --> 00:37:45,200
credible people they're either irs

978
00:37:49,190 --> 00:37:46,640
attorneys they're doctors they're

979
00:37:51,589 --> 00:37:49,200
lawyers they're they come from all walks

980
00:37:53,829 --> 00:37:51,599
of life i'm not saying that the proof is

981
00:37:56,470 --> 00:37:53,839
not there what i am saying though is

982
00:37:59,430 --> 00:37:56,480
that academias hasn't taken it seriously

983
00:38:02,150 --> 00:37:59,440
enough to legitimately try and start to

984
00:38:05,829 --> 00:38:02,160
answer what people are dealing with from

985
00:38:07,589 --> 00:38:05,839
a from a especially a ptsd standpoint

986
00:38:09,270 --> 00:38:07,599
like there are there are accounts that

987
00:38:11,190 --> 00:38:09,280
people are really experiencing things

988
00:38:14,470 --> 00:38:11,200
and i don't want to write that stuff off

989
00:38:17,030 --> 00:38:14,480
i think it's valid but again and how do

990
00:38:18,550 --> 00:38:17,040
we take these stories and translate them

991
00:38:19,910 --> 00:38:18,560
to the bigger

992
00:38:22,150 --> 00:38:19,920
uh uh

993
00:38:23,510 --> 00:38:22,160
community at large the community that

994
00:38:25,829 --> 00:38:23,520
doesn't look into the stuff the

995
00:38:28,470 --> 00:38:25,839
community that doesn't research that's

996
00:38:30,310 --> 00:38:28,480
that's where i'm trying to get this

997
00:38:32,790 --> 00:38:30,320
conversation to i'm trying to get my mom

998
00:38:34,790 --> 00:38:32,800
and my sister and my and my dad's to

999
00:38:36,470 --> 00:38:34,800
call me every day going hey did you hear

1000
00:38:38,550 --> 00:38:36,480
about this what about this what about

1001
00:38:39,750 --> 00:38:38,560
this i think that would be an exciting

1002
00:38:42,470 --> 00:38:39,760
place to be

1003
00:38:44,470 --> 00:38:42,480
um but all i'll say is i'm not doubting

1004
00:38:46,710 --> 00:38:44,480
the research of the work of the dolans

1005
00:38:49,030 --> 00:38:46,720
and the melinda lesnies i'm not saying

1006
00:38:50,630 --> 00:38:49,040
they're liars but what i'm saying is is

1007
00:38:52,150 --> 00:38:50,640
the data that they've put on the table

1008
00:38:54,710 --> 00:38:52,160
so far

1009
00:38:57,990 --> 00:38:54,720
in that in some cases they've presented

1010
00:39:00,230 --> 00:38:58,000
in a mock congressional setting in front

1011
00:39:01,990 --> 00:39:00,240
of real lawmakers hasn't moved the

1012
00:39:03,190 --> 00:39:02,000
needle at all

1013
00:39:05,510 --> 00:39:03,200
at all

1014
00:39:06,950 --> 00:39:05,520
and now you get this 2017 article you

1015
00:39:08,550 --> 00:39:06,960
get this guy from the government saying

1016
00:39:10,150 --> 00:39:08,560
these things are real you get lawmakers

1017
00:39:11,910 --> 00:39:10,160
starting to write laws

1018
00:39:12,950 --> 00:39:11,920
and those are the things that are moving

1019
00:39:15,109 --> 00:39:12,960
the needle

1020
00:39:17,829 --> 00:39:15,119
it's not it's not these stories of

1021
00:39:20,470 --> 00:39:17,839
abductions or these um

1022
00:39:23,030 --> 00:39:20,480
you know in some cases have concocted

1023
00:39:25,430 --> 00:39:23,040
experiments on on what we're looking or

1024
00:39:28,710 --> 00:39:25,440
trying to figure out like i think just

1025
00:39:30,790 --> 00:39:28,720
labeling this thing as et is incredibly

1026
00:39:33,270 --> 00:39:30,800
naive how do we know that how do we know

1027
00:39:34,870 --> 00:39:33,280
it's et how do we know it's coming from

1028
00:39:37,109 --> 00:39:34,880
another planet how do we know it's

1029
00:39:39,030 --> 00:39:37,119
coming here in a vehicle is that even

1030
00:39:40,470 --> 00:39:39,040
the best mode of transportation for

1031
00:39:43,270 --> 00:39:40,480
something that could think

1032
00:39:45,589 --> 00:39:43,280
telepathically and communicate you know

1033
00:39:48,470 --> 00:39:45,599
like i just

1034
00:39:51,190 --> 00:39:48,480
i think again this there's nobody has

1035
00:39:52,150 --> 00:39:51,200
the right answer on this nobody

1036
00:39:54,829 --> 00:39:52,160
knows

1037
00:39:57,589 --> 00:39:54,839
anything and i think that's the

1038
00:39:59,349 --> 00:39:57,599
trepidation and if you're an experiencer

1039
00:40:01,829 --> 00:39:59,359
especially an experiencer with high

1040
00:40:04,950 --> 00:40:01,839
status within society you're never gonna

1041
00:40:07,670 --> 00:40:04,960
talk about this uh because it's it's

1042
00:40:09,910 --> 00:40:07,680
it's there's so much stigma that comes

1043
00:40:11,829 --> 00:40:09,920
with it there's so much fear of losing

1044
00:40:14,550 --> 00:40:11,839
your status if you become one of the

1045
00:40:16,550 --> 00:40:14,560
people who's seen or experienced these

1046
00:40:18,550 --> 00:40:16,560
things we're still there we've got a

1047
00:40:20,790 --> 00:40:18,560
long way to go and so that's why i

1048
00:40:23,190 --> 00:40:20,800
understand why if the government looks

1049
00:40:25,349 --> 00:40:23,200
at this and i'm like we have no [\h__\h]

1050
00:40:28,069 --> 00:40:25,359
clue what we're looking at and that's a

1051
00:40:30,230 --> 00:40:28,079
very honest answer but i don't think

1052
00:40:32,309 --> 00:40:30,240
from their perspective that's an answer

1053
00:40:34,230 --> 00:40:32,319
they want to reveal they don't want to

1054
00:40:36,950 --> 00:40:34,240
tell you that they don't know

1055
00:40:39,190 --> 00:40:36,960
so when you talk to grant cameron

1056
00:40:42,230 --> 00:40:39,200
did you guys talk about the wilbert

1057
00:40:43,990 --> 00:40:42,240
smith memo in canada did he give you

1058
00:40:45,589 --> 00:40:44,000
that whole thing

1059
00:40:47,990 --> 00:40:45,599
i don't know if he gave us the wilbert

1060
00:40:50,230 --> 00:40:48,000
smith memo because it was a panel of

1061
00:40:52,630 --> 00:40:50,240
people and we had the discussion over a

1062
00:40:54,470 --> 00:40:52,640
year ago it doesn't ring a bell

1063
00:40:55,990 --> 00:40:54,480
you do you do so many you do so many

1064
00:40:57,270 --> 00:40:56,000
interviews yeah we were doing three

1065
00:40:59,990 --> 00:40:57,280
interviews a day that's why we're going

1066
00:41:01,349 --> 00:41:00,000
down to one a week

1067
00:41:03,589 --> 00:41:01,359
oh you're gonna do one you're gonna do

1068
00:41:06,470 --> 00:41:03,599
one a week

1069
00:41:08,390 --> 00:41:06,480
three a week

1070
00:41:11,829 --> 00:41:08,400
you know it's it's it's

1071
00:41:13,109 --> 00:41:11,839
it's labor intensive oh yeah

1072
00:41:15,190 --> 00:41:13,119
to book

1073
00:41:17,109 --> 00:41:15,200
three guests a week it's a lot of work

1074
00:41:20,309 --> 00:41:17,119
you're talking about 16 guests a month

1075
00:41:21,990 --> 00:41:20,319
that's oh yeah times 12 you know but

1076
00:41:25,829 --> 00:41:22,000
it's a lot of work it's a lot of work so

1077
00:41:27,670 --> 00:41:25,839
yeah like i said hardest working man

1078
00:41:29,829 --> 00:41:27,680
and so sometimes it's difficult for me

1079
00:41:31,990 --> 00:41:29,839
to sort of go through rifle through the

1080
00:41:34,630 --> 00:41:32,000
file of interviews oh did we talk about

1081
00:41:35,670 --> 00:41:34,640
that it's possible yeah we may have but

1082
00:41:37,589 --> 00:41:35,680
honestly

1083
00:41:39,349 --> 00:41:37,599
i don't remember yeah

1084
00:41:41,910 --> 00:41:39,359
and briefly so

1085
00:41:44,150 --> 00:41:41,920
grant cameron is from canada and he had

1086
00:41:46,630 --> 00:41:44,160
a contact experience

1087
00:41:49,109 --> 00:41:46,640
like you did in winnipeg

1088
00:41:50,630 --> 00:41:49,119
and it was kind of all over the news and

1089
00:41:52,069 --> 00:41:50,640
he said it went on for months and

1090
00:41:53,430 --> 00:41:52,079
everyone would kind of get in the car

1091
00:41:55,109 --> 00:41:53,440
and drive around and see if you could

1092
00:41:57,349 --> 00:41:55,119
see the lights you know

1093
00:41:58,390 --> 00:41:57,359
so he saw the lights and then he had

1094
00:42:02,390 --> 00:41:58,400
that

1095
00:42:04,390 --> 00:42:02,400
said you're aware of you didn't have in

1096
00:42:05,990 --> 00:42:04,400
your case but it was like more than just

1097
00:42:06,790 --> 00:42:06,000
seeing it you know there was something

1098
00:42:08,470 --> 00:42:06,800
that

1099
00:42:10,390 --> 00:42:08,480
happened it's not like he remembers

1100
00:42:12,470 --> 00:42:10,400
being on board the ship anyways that

1101
00:42:14,630 --> 00:42:12,480
sparks his interest in it he starts

1102
00:42:16,710 --> 00:42:14,640
looking at foia stuff they call it

1103
00:42:18,870 --> 00:42:16,720
something different in canada but one of

1104
00:42:21,510 --> 00:42:18,880
the things that shakes out of it is

1105
00:42:24,470 --> 00:42:21,520
the wilbert smith memo so wilbert smith

1106
00:42:28,950 --> 00:42:24,480
is the guy in charge of the the weird

1107
00:42:30,870 --> 00:42:28,960
desk for canada in the 1950s

1108
00:42:33,030 --> 00:42:30,880
like everything that happens in the sky

1109
00:42:35,190 --> 00:42:33,040
this guy is responsible for

1110
00:42:37,670 --> 00:42:35,200
and at some point he goes to the prime

1111
00:42:40,230 --> 00:42:37,680
minister he goes hey

1112
00:42:41,190 --> 00:42:40,240
there's [\h__\h] happening out there

1113
00:42:46,150 --> 00:42:41,200
and

1114
00:42:47,750 --> 00:42:46,160
know so he goes okay go so he goes down

1115
00:42:50,069 --> 00:42:47,760
and he

1116
00:42:51,510 --> 00:42:50,079
meets with vandervar bush he meets with

1117
00:42:53,109 --> 00:42:51,520
all the other

1118
00:42:55,990 --> 00:42:53,119
right right people whether you believe

1119
00:42:57,990 --> 00:42:56,000
in the aviary mj-12 or whether you don't

1120
00:43:00,150 --> 00:42:58,000
he meets with a lot of those people he

1121
00:43:00,950 --> 00:43:00,160
comes back he writes this memo

1122
00:43:05,589 --> 00:43:00,960
to

1123
00:43:07,270 --> 00:43:05,599
minister whoever and says look

1124
00:43:10,390 --> 00:43:07,280
this shit's real

1125
00:43:12,069 --> 00:43:10,400
it is the highest priority of the united

1126
00:43:13,990 --> 00:43:12,079
states government most secret higher

1127
00:43:15,829 --> 00:43:14,000
than the hydrogen bomb

1128
00:43:17,910 --> 00:43:15,839
and then he says this thing

1129
00:43:19,589 --> 00:43:17,920
he says and there's a mental

1130
00:43:21,990 --> 00:43:19,599
aspect to it

1131
00:43:24,230 --> 00:43:22,000
that they're looking into

1132
00:43:25,910 --> 00:43:24,240
which is the consciousness thing and see

1133
00:43:28,069 --> 00:43:25,920
that's why grant is big in the

1134
00:43:30,870 --> 00:43:28,079
consciousness grant is like forget the

1135
00:43:32,790 --> 00:43:30,880
nuts and bolts that's just a distraction

1136
00:43:35,430 --> 00:43:32,800
look at near-death experience look at

1137
00:43:37,030 --> 00:43:35,440
remote viewing look at psychic phenomena

1138
00:43:38,630 --> 00:43:37,040
somewhere in there

1139
00:43:40,790 --> 00:43:38,640
is the answer kind of like a jacques

1140
00:43:43,270 --> 00:43:40,800
valet kind of thing but at the same time

1141
00:43:45,430 --> 00:43:43,280
don't look away from that

1142
00:43:47,109 --> 00:43:45,440
this ties directly into the mk ultra

1143
00:43:51,030 --> 00:43:47,119
stuff at least in grant's mind i think

1144
00:43:52,230 --> 00:43:51,040
he's spot on we look at mk ultra as mind

1145
00:43:56,470 --> 00:43:52,240
control

1146
00:43:59,109 --> 00:43:56,480
as you know our soldiers in korea might

1147
00:44:00,790 --> 00:43:59,119
be being mind-controlled uh maybe but it

1148
00:44:02,950 --> 00:44:00,800
was also about

1149
00:44:05,190 --> 00:44:02,960
what's e.t doing in this extended

1150
00:44:06,710 --> 00:44:05,200
consciousness space we better know

1151
00:44:08,950 --> 00:44:06,720
because that's

1152
00:44:11,030 --> 00:44:08,960
we in the 50s they knew that there was

1153
00:44:12,390 --> 00:44:11,040
something happening like you said

1154
00:44:14,630 --> 00:44:12,400
telepathy

1155
00:44:17,430 --> 00:44:14,640
mind control you know when tic tac hap

1156
00:44:18,870 --> 00:44:17,440
when tick-tock happens and they meet

1157
00:44:20,550 --> 00:44:18,880
you know they go to the secret spot in

1158
00:44:21,750 --> 00:44:20,560
the sky they're supposed to meet and

1159
00:44:26,309 --> 00:44:21,760
there is

1160
00:44:28,309 --> 00:44:26,319
because it's kind of this collective

1161
00:44:32,390 --> 00:44:28,319
consciousness kind of thing

1162
00:44:34,069 --> 00:44:32,400
so they knew about that [\h__\h] back in the

1163
00:44:42,309 --> 00:44:34,079
50s

1164
00:44:45,109 --> 00:44:42,319
it hard for me to stomach

1165
00:44:47,910 --> 00:44:45,119
you know it lou elizondo oh it's a

1166
00:44:51,430 --> 00:44:47,920
threat to our skies and we don't know

1167
00:44:54,069 --> 00:44:51,440
what's going on up there hey bro

1168
00:44:55,910 --> 00:44:54,079
full [\h__\h] disclosure if you don't if

1169
00:44:58,550 --> 00:44:55,920
you're lou elizondo and you don't know

1170
00:45:00,069 --> 00:44:58,560
who john alexander is go look the dude

1171
00:45:02,630 --> 00:45:00,079
up he lives out there in the desert

1172
00:45:05,109 --> 00:45:02,640
you'll find him richard dodie go look

1173
00:45:07,510 --> 00:45:05,119
him up find out who committed those

1174
00:45:10,309 --> 00:45:07,520
criminal acts so we can get all the [\h__\h]

1175
00:45:12,630 --> 00:45:10,319
straightened out before we just kind of

1176
00:45:13,589 --> 00:45:12,640
jump on your latest

1177
00:45:15,750 --> 00:45:13,599
uh uh

1178
00:45:17,510 --> 00:45:15,760
what this really means kind of thing

1179
00:45:19,910 --> 00:45:17,520
let's get everyone on board with my

1180
00:45:21,030 --> 00:45:19,920
story let's clean out the closet a

1181
00:45:23,109 --> 00:45:21,040
little bit

1182
00:45:24,230 --> 00:45:23,119
i feel your frustration

1183
00:45:26,790 --> 00:45:24,240
i think

1184
00:45:28,069 --> 00:45:26,800
again the part of the reason

1185
00:45:29,670 --> 00:45:28,079
i want to address three things part i

1186
00:45:32,470 --> 00:45:29,680
think part of the reason

1187
00:45:35,670 --> 00:45:32,480
why that closet hasn't been cleaned out

1188
00:45:38,150 --> 00:45:35,680
is imagine if since the 50s

1189
00:45:40,069 --> 00:45:38,160
you've poked and you've prodded and

1190
00:45:42,309 --> 00:45:40,079
you've tried to gain understanding of

1191
00:45:45,190 --> 00:45:42,319
this phenomenon

1192
00:45:47,430 --> 00:45:45,200
and you failed for the last 50 60 years

1193
00:45:48,870 --> 00:45:47,440
to get any sort of understanding or

1194
00:45:52,309 --> 00:45:48,880
explanation

1195
00:45:53,589 --> 00:45:52,319
uh possibly dollars have been spent into

1196
00:45:55,589 --> 00:45:53,599
into

1197
00:45:56,790 --> 00:45:55,599
trying to get those answers and has

1198
00:45:58,950 --> 00:45:56,800
produced

1199
00:46:01,430 --> 00:45:58,960
nothing but more confusion

1200
00:46:03,349 --> 00:46:01,440
the the fact that it's real

1201
00:46:05,510 --> 00:46:03,359
is still true

1202
00:46:07,510 --> 00:46:05,520
but the explanation of what is behind

1203
00:46:12,710 --> 00:46:07,520
that real phenomena is still very

1204
00:46:17,190 --> 00:46:15,270
why government would why want to not

1205
00:46:18,950 --> 00:46:17,200
talk about that because all of the

1206
00:46:20,870 --> 00:46:18,960
questions that you're going to spit at

1207
00:46:23,030 --> 00:46:20,880
them they're not they're really not

1208
00:46:24,870 --> 00:46:23,040
going to have answers to you and it's it

1209
00:46:27,589 --> 00:46:24,880
there's no it's a no-win position for

1210
00:46:29,750 --> 00:46:27,599
the government to say that it's a no-win

1211
00:46:32,150 --> 00:46:29,760
position like they come out and they say

1212
00:46:33,829 --> 00:46:32,160
yeah this there's lights in the sky

1213
00:46:35,829 --> 00:46:33,839
sometimes they're mechanical we think

1214
00:46:38,230 --> 00:46:35,839
they're being piloted by things we have

1215
00:46:40,309 --> 00:46:38,240
no idea what those things are maybe

1216
00:46:41,990 --> 00:46:40,319
maybe we recovered a couple of them but

1217
00:46:43,990 --> 00:46:42,000
we still don't know where they come from

1218
00:46:46,790 --> 00:46:44,000
or or who they are what their motives

1219
00:46:48,390 --> 00:46:46,800
are um there are there are multitude of

1220
00:46:50,069 --> 00:46:48,400
things that they would not have answers

1221
00:46:51,829 --> 00:46:50,079
for that i think would

1222
00:46:54,150 --> 00:46:51,839
would be

1223
00:46:55,589 --> 00:46:54,160
i would understand i don't agree with it

1224
00:46:57,910 --> 00:46:55,599
just because i'm saying i understand it

1225
00:47:00,470 --> 00:46:57,920
doesn't mean i agree with it but i

1226
00:47:02,150 --> 00:47:00,480
understand how a lot of people within

1227
00:47:04,390 --> 00:47:02,160
that security apparatus would be like

1228
00:47:06,470 --> 00:47:04,400
just shut the [\h__\h] up about it we would

1229
00:47:07,990 --> 00:47:06,480
mum is the word mum is the word we're

1230
00:47:10,150 --> 00:47:08,000
not gonna talk about

1231
00:47:12,790 --> 00:47:10,160
um and and then the other thing i wanted

1232
00:47:14,630 --> 00:47:12,800
to address was your your

1233
00:47:16,950 --> 00:47:14,640
the idea of louis lozando saying that

1234
00:47:19,109 --> 00:47:16,960
these are threats

1235
00:47:22,069 --> 00:47:19,119
i think you're right both christopher

1236
00:47:23,990 --> 00:47:22,079
mellon and louis lozando were very much

1237
00:47:25,589 --> 00:47:24,000
pitching this thing as a threat to

1238
00:47:27,670 --> 00:47:25,599
national security right that was

1239
00:47:29,750 --> 00:47:27,680
something that kept coming up over and

1240
00:47:31,990 --> 00:47:29,760
over and over again and i think the

1241
00:47:33,829 --> 00:47:32,000
community reacted to that they didn't

1242
00:47:35,510 --> 00:47:33,839
like the idea that you're calling this

1243
00:47:36,710 --> 00:47:35,520
thing a threat especially if it's an

1244
00:47:38,470 --> 00:47:36,720
unknown

1245
00:47:40,710 --> 00:47:38,480
and i think they pivoted they changed

1246
00:47:43,589 --> 00:47:40,720
the name of the office from the advanced

1247
00:47:46,069 --> 00:47:43,599
aerospace threat identification program

1248
00:47:47,510 --> 00:47:46,079
uh to um

1249
00:47:49,750 --> 00:47:47,520
what did they change it to oh my god i'm

1250
00:47:53,430 --> 00:47:49,760
drawing a blank uh no we we get the

1251
00:47:55,190 --> 00:47:53,440
point but yeah but and that that's

1252
00:47:57,190 --> 00:47:55,200
the idea of it being a threat hasn't

1253
00:47:59,910 --> 00:47:57,200
been discussed in about

1254
00:48:00,790 --> 00:47:59,920
three to four years um but it's it's

1255
00:48:03,109 --> 00:48:00,800
it's just

1256
00:48:05,750 --> 00:48:03,119
it's them just exactly i mean what are

1257
00:48:07,589 --> 00:48:05,760
we how they're spinning it today i mean

1258
00:48:10,230 --> 00:48:07,599
it's still it's still a pentagon run

1259
00:48:13,109 --> 00:48:10,240
program just consider this

1260
00:48:14,309 --> 00:48:13,119
lou what if it's the opposite of what

1261
00:48:16,390 --> 00:48:14,319
you said

1262
00:48:17,990 --> 00:48:16,400
oh we've been poking around it for 70

1263
00:48:20,069 --> 00:48:18,000
years and it's always failed and we

1264
00:48:21,510 --> 00:48:20,079
don't know what the hell it is what if

1265
00:48:23,349 --> 00:48:21,520
it's the opposite

1266
00:48:25,750 --> 00:48:23,359
what if they know

1267
00:48:28,549 --> 00:48:25,760
what it is what if they have a really

1268
00:48:30,549 --> 00:48:28,559
really good handle on what it is how

1269
00:48:32,230 --> 00:48:30,559
does the whole thing look then you know

1270
00:48:34,549 --> 00:48:32,240
i go back to the stargate thing the

1271
00:48:36,710 --> 00:48:34,559
remote viewing thing because that's

1272
00:48:38,470 --> 00:48:36,720
connected to this too you know stargate

1273
00:48:41,750 --> 00:48:38,480
remote viewing

1274
00:48:42,790 --> 00:48:41,760
okay so you know ingo swann is the guy

1275
00:48:45,750 --> 00:48:42,800
who really

1276
00:48:48,630 --> 00:48:45,760
i guess you could say discovered or

1277
00:48:50,470 --> 00:48:48,640
created remote viewing he's a psychic

1278
00:48:52,069 --> 00:48:50,480
and then he said if i have to train

1279
00:48:54,069 --> 00:48:52,079
other people how to do that that's this

1280
00:48:56,390 --> 00:48:54,079
here's how i'll do it kind of thing

1281
00:48:58,390 --> 00:48:56,400
but they were remote viewing the moon

1282
00:49:00,870 --> 00:48:58,400
they were remote viewing mars they were

1283
00:49:02,950 --> 00:49:00,880
seeing aliens they were

1284
00:49:05,270 --> 00:49:02,960
all this stuff and at the same time they

1285
00:49:06,870 --> 00:49:05,280
were remote viewing russian subs and

1286
00:49:09,190 --> 00:49:06,880
they were getting good results there

1287
00:49:10,549 --> 00:49:09,200
were remote viewing lost planes in

1288
00:49:12,870 --> 00:49:10,559
africa and

1289
00:49:14,829 --> 00:49:12,880
what they saw turned out to be real so

1290
00:49:18,710 --> 00:49:14,839
we don't know how all that stuff works

1291
00:49:21,030 --> 00:49:18,720
but what if it's not a failed 70-year

1292
00:49:23,349 --> 00:49:21,040
thing what if it's a pretty damn

1293
00:49:26,710 --> 00:49:23,359
successful 70-year thing doesn't that

1294
00:49:27,910 --> 00:49:26,720
put a whole different spin on the oh my

1295
00:49:31,270 --> 00:49:27,920
gosh

1296
00:49:33,430 --> 00:49:31,280
let's tell you what it is now

1297
00:49:34,790 --> 00:49:33,440
um depends on how much information they

1298
00:49:37,510 --> 00:49:34,800
have

1299
00:49:39,670 --> 00:49:37,520
you know like again like

1300
00:49:41,109 --> 00:49:39,680
i i think the biggest concern for a

1301
00:49:43,829 --> 00:49:41,119
military

1302
00:49:45,510 --> 00:49:43,839
is not looking foolish so

1303
00:49:47,829 --> 00:49:45,520
let's say that is true let's say they do

1304
00:49:49,910 --> 00:49:47,839
have 70 years of information

1305
00:49:51,510 --> 00:49:49,920
that proves undoubtedly or everything

1306
00:49:52,630 --> 00:49:51,520
that we think is happening is actually

1307
00:49:53,510 --> 00:49:52,640
happening

1308
00:49:55,430 --> 00:49:53,520
um

1309
00:49:58,069 --> 00:49:55,440
how do you release that information

1310
00:49:59,510 --> 00:49:58,079
responsibly

1311
00:50:02,870 --> 00:49:59,520
how do you do it

1312
00:50:04,230 --> 00:50:02,880
excellent point with you 100 on that

1313
00:50:06,630 --> 00:50:04,240
you know like

1314
00:50:08,790 --> 00:50:06,640
and so i think they're in a conundrum

1315
00:50:10,710 --> 00:50:08,800
they're in a really tough spot

1316
00:50:13,349 --> 00:50:10,720
now on one hand

1317
00:50:14,790 --> 00:50:13,359
they're they're vilified and crucified

1318
00:50:16,790 --> 00:50:14,800
for being the government because they

1319
00:50:19,670 --> 00:50:16,800
lie and they cheat they steal they star

1320
00:50:20,950 --> 00:50:19,680
wars and a lot of them are full of [\h__\h]

1321
00:50:22,790 --> 00:50:20,960
but

1322
00:50:25,910 --> 00:50:22,800
that's like

1323
00:50:27,790 --> 00:50:25,920
painting the entire planet right because

1324
00:50:30,870 --> 00:50:27,800
what is it there's

1325
00:50:31,990 --> 00:50:30,880
1600 billionaires in this country that

1326
00:50:35,109 --> 00:50:32,000
control

1327
00:50:36,309 --> 00:50:35,119
three-quarters of the world's wealth

1328
00:50:39,109 --> 00:50:36,319
like

1329
00:50:41,430 --> 00:50:39,119
could we point to those 1600 people and

1330
00:50:42,549 --> 00:50:41,440
use that as a representation of all of

1331
00:50:43,750 --> 00:50:42,559
earth

1332
00:50:44,710 --> 00:50:43,760
no

1333
00:50:47,430 --> 00:50:44,720
so that

1334
00:50:48,950 --> 00:50:47,440
i don't think it's fair to take

1335
00:50:50,630 --> 00:50:48,960
and we don't know what the percentage of

1336
00:50:52,390 --> 00:50:50,640
this government is that could be hiding

1337
00:50:54,870 --> 00:50:52,400
this kind of information if they are

1338
00:50:56,790 --> 00:50:54,880
hiding it but i don't think it's fair to

1339
00:50:57,750 --> 00:50:56,800
to label the rest of the government

1340
00:50:58,630 --> 00:50:57,760
because

1341
00:51:04,549 --> 00:50:58,640
this

1342
00:51:06,549 --> 00:51:04,559
because they simply don't know what to

1343
00:51:08,549 --> 00:51:06,559
do it is it is

1344
00:51:11,670 --> 00:51:08,559
it is a a

1345
00:51:14,230 --> 00:51:11,680
a pandora's box and i think that's we

1346
00:51:17,109 --> 00:51:14,240
just in again i think it's the perfect

1347
00:51:20,230 --> 00:51:17,119
reason to just shut up not say anything

1348
00:51:22,870 --> 00:51:20,240
about it and maybe this idea of getting

1349
00:51:25,990 --> 00:51:22,880
scientists and lawmakers on board and

1350
00:51:27,910 --> 00:51:26,000
slowly if it does feel like a drip i'll

1351
00:51:30,390 --> 00:51:27,920
i will agree with anybody there in the

1352
00:51:32,549 --> 00:51:30,400
last especially five years it's not that

1353
00:51:35,030 --> 00:51:32,559
it seems like a drip it seems like an op

1354
00:51:37,270 --> 00:51:35,040
and what you're saying not for what well

1355
00:51:40,150 --> 00:51:37,280
but as you point out and opt for exactly

1356
00:51:41,829 --> 00:51:40,160
what you said i i think you framed it up

1357
00:51:43,990 --> 00:51:41,839
perfectly in my opinion that's what

1358
00:51:45,990 --> 00:51:44,000
makes the most sense is like and i love

1359
00:51:47,990 --> 00:51:46,000
that you did that it's like no wait a

1360
00:51:49,349 --> 00:51:48,000
minute put yourself

1361
00:51:51,430 --> 00:51:49,359
in their shoes

1362
00:51:53,430 --> 00:51:51,440
what the [\h__\h] are they supposed to do

1363
00:51:54,950 --> 00:51:53,440
at the end of the day

1364
00:51:57,750 --> 00:51:54,960
i want you on that wall i need you on

1365
00:52:00,630 --> 00:51:57,760
that wall kind of thing right we do

1366
00:52:03,190 --> 00:52:00,640
want them we we have other threats

1367
00:52:06,069 --> 00:52:03,200
and other allies whether the e.t is our

1368
00:52:07,990 --> 00:52:06,079
ally or a threat whatever we got

1369
00:52:09,190 --> 00:52:08,000
china is a real thing china isn't

1370
00:52:10,790 --> 00:52:09,200
looking to

1371
00:52:12,390 --> 00:52:10,800
they have their own interests their own

1372
00:52:14,710 --> 00:52:12,400
perspective and there's different

1373
00:52:16,470 --> 00:52:14,720
factions within china that do that same

1374
00:52:18,549 --> 00:52:16,480
with every other country and every other

1375
00:52:20,630 --> 00:52:18,559
thing so it's a big world it's a

1376
00:52:23,990 --> 00:52:20,640
complicated world and that's your point

1377
00:52:26,950 --> 00:52:24,000
and then we're looking to

1378
00:52:29,109 --> 00:52:26,960
our government collectively to kind of

1379
00:52:31,190 --> 00:52:29,119
manage that in some way that can only be

1380
00:52:33,750 --> 00:52:31,200
managed by that big collective

1381
00:52:35,030 --> 00:52:33,760
totally get your point you know in that

1382
00:52:37,750 --> 00:52:35,040
but

1383
00:52:41,430 --> 00:52:37,760
our job it would seem to me lou

1384
00:52:43,589 --> 00:52:41,440
is to keep pushing for the [\h__\h] truth

1385
00:52:45,510 --> 00:52:43,599
your sister can't handle the truth hey

1386
00:52:47,750 --> 00:52:45,520
that's okay i get that there's a lot of

1387
00:52:50,150 --> 00:52:47,760
people that can't handle all sorts of

1388
00:52:53,510 --> 00:52:50,160
different truths about religion

1389
00:52:56,950 --> 00:52:53,520
about politics about cons the way the

1390
00:52:59,750 --> 00:52:56,960
world works i i i'm not judging them i'm

1391
00:53:01,750 --> 00:52:59,760
just saying for me i'm going to keep

1392
00:53:04,309 --> 00:53:01,760
pushing for the truth yeah well i mean

1393
00:53:08,549 --> 00:53:04,319
but you say it's an op what is it what

1394
00:53:13,990 --> 00:53:12,150
well if it's an op and if it's a good up

1395
00:53:16,630 --> 00:53:14,000
then we'll never [\h__\h] know the

1396
00:53:19,510 --> 00:53:16,640
objective i mean this is you you know

1397
00:53:23,270 --> 00:53:19,520
like but you had chris lambright on the

1398
00:53:25,589 --> 00:53:23,280
show again i'm going to pull that up

1399
00:53:27,109 --> 00:53:25,599
like the amazing thing about chris

1400
00:53:29,990 --> 00:53:27,119
lambright is

1401
00:53:33,990 --> 00:53:30,000
it shows the extent to which

1402
00:53:36,950 --> 00:53:34,000
you have to go to even begin to

1403
00:53:39,190 --> 00:53:36,960
uncover the op right because his whole

1404
00:53:40,790 --> 00:53:39,200
thing is on the back to the paul

1405
00:53:42,549 --> 00:53:40,800
benowitz thing

1406
00:53:45,109 --> 00:53:42,559
and paul benowitz is this american

1407
00:53:47,190 --> 00:53:45,119
citizen he gets interested in ufos he

1408
00:53:48,549 --> 00:53:47,200
buys some super high quality cameras

1409
00:53:50,470 --> 00:53:48,559
he's got a bunch of them set up on his

1410
00:53:52,069 --> 00:53:50,480
roof and he starts

1411
00:53:53,670 --> 00:53:52,079
looking at [\h__\h] that's happening in

1412
00:53:55,750 --> 00:53:53,680
kirkland air force base because he lives

1413
00:53:57,430 --> 00:53:55,760
right across from kirkland

1414
00:54:00,390 --> 00:53:57,440
what happens is

1415
00:54:02,309 --> 00:54:00,400
then he goes and he says again american

1416
00:54:05,030 --> 00:54:02,319
citizen hey this stuff is happening

1417
00:54:06,790 --> 00:54:05,040
who's the first guy who knocks on his

1418
00:54:07,990 --> 00:54:06,800
door kind of to your point is it a

1419
00:54:11,030 --> 00:54:08,000
researcher

1420
00:54:13,750 --> 00:54:11,040
is it a scientist is it a guy who's in

1421
00:54:15,349 --> 00:54:13,760
charge of security and says hey you know

1422
00:54:16,630 --> 00:54:15,359
let's find out what you

1423
00:54:20,309 --> 00:54:16,640
no man

1424
00:54:22,870 --> 00:54:20,319
co intel pro it's richard doty counter

1425
00:54:26,470 --> 00:54:22,880
intelligence that's the first guy that

1426
00:54:28,950 --> 00:54:26,480
shows up and then like our community i'm

1427
00:54:31,829 --> 00:54:28,960
not really part of the ufo community but

1428
00:54:33,270 --> 00:54:31,839
the upshot of that whole thing is the

1429
00:54:36,069 --> 00:54:33,280
mirage men

1430
00:54:39,270 --> 00:54:36,079
they totally got the [\h__\h] story wrong

1431
00:54:42,470 --> 00:54:39,280
because dodie's cover story was well

1432
00:54:44,470 --> 00:54:42,480
paul benowitz saw stealth bombers and

1433
00:54:45,990 --> 00:54:44,480
other [\h__\h] that he shouldn't have seen

1434
00:54:47,670 --> 00:54:46,000
and that's why we had to feed him all

1435
00:54:50,150 --> 00:54:47,680
this information

1436
00:54:51,910 --> 00:54:50,160
that by your guest and again you

1437
00:54:55,829 --> 00:54:51,920
interviewed him and did a great job with

1438
00:54:57,349 --> 00:54:55,839
it uh chris lambright totally blows that

1439
00:54:58,390 --> 00:54:57,359
out of the water

1440
00:55:03,589 --> 00:54:58,400
so

1441
00:55:07,349 --> 00:55:03,599
that's an op that was an op like dodie

1442
00:55:09,109 --> 00:55:07,359
has outed himself and said we ran and up

1443
00:55:11,510 --> 00:55:09,119
an illegal op by the way that he should

1444
00:55:13,990 --> 00:55:11,520
be in jail for and his superiors should

1445
00:55:16,069 --> 00:55:14,000
be in jail for you can't do that you

1446
00:55:18,069 --> 00:55:16,079
can't go

1447
00:55:20,390 --> 00:55:18,079
take somebody and put him through the

1448
00:55:22,069 --> 00:55:20,400
american citizen who hasn't committed

1449
00:55:26,069 --> 00:55:22,079
any crime and run them through the

1450
00:55:27,910 --> 00:55:26,079
ringer and go give him false information

1451
00:55:30,470 --> 00:55:27,920
to run him crazy and do all the right

1452
00:55:32,870 --> 00:55:30,480
you can't do it it's illegal

1453
00:55:35,750 --> 00:55:32,880
but he exposes the op richard dodie

1454
00:55:37,990 --> 00:55:35,760
exposes the op but to this day he just

1455
00:55:40,230 --> 00:55:38,000
covers it up with another op

1456
00:55:41,990 --> 00:55:40,240
so when you ask me what's the op that

1457
00:55:45,109 --> 00:55:42,000
lou is playing

1458
00:55:46,630 --> 00:55:45,119
lou is a master i mean he is a smart

1459
00:55:48,870 --> 00:55:46,640
freaking guy

1460
00:55:51,190 --> 00:55:48,880
for maybe 20 years from now we can look

1461
00:55:52,950 --> 00:55:51,200
back and have some clue of what the op

1462
00:55:54,069 --> 00:55:52,960
was but we certainly ain't going to

1463
00:55:55,910 --> 00:55:54,079
figure it out those guys are a lot

1464
00:55:56,710 --> 00:55:55,920
smarter than i am in terms of running an

1465
00:56:04,630 --> 00:55:56,720
op

1466
00:56:06,710 --> 00:56:04,640
inspired

1467
00:56:08,230 --> 00:56:06,720
lawmakers to look and talk about this

1468
00:56:09,990 --> 00:56:08,240
publicly

1469
00:56:12,069 --> 00:56:10,000
um

1470
00:56:15,030 --> 00:56:12,079
that's that's the i think the difference

1471
00:56:17,430 --> 00:56:15,040
for me is that you've got lawmakers who

1472
00:56:19,190 --> 00:56:17,440
are genuinely curious about this and you

1473
00:56:21,430 --> 00:56:19,200
can't control how they

1474
00:56:23,910 --> 00:56:21,440
you gotta stop saying lawmakers man you

1475
00:56:27,430 --> 00:56:23,920
gotta i mean no one why is that because

1476
00:56:31,349 --> 00:56:27,440
it's it's it's so bullshitty our our

1477
00:56:32,710 --> 00:56:31,359
congress our our idea of making laws i

1478
00:56:34,549 --> 00:56:32,720
mean

1479
00:56:37,109 --> 00:56:34,559
in in what we've gone through in the

1480
00:56:39,190 --> 00:56:37,119
last two years and all the and all the

1481
00:56:41,030 --> 00:56:39,200
stuff that's been exposed yeah there's

1482
00:56:43,430 --> 00:56:41,040
some guys up there and there's something

1483
00:56:46,630 --> 00:56:43,440
going on that seems to be of a political

1484
00:56:51,270 --> 00:56:46,640
nature but this idea that there's this

1485
00:56:53,510 --> 00:56:51,280
intact republic where legal the supreme

1486
00:56:55,670 --> 00:56:53,520
court all yeah i mean no one believes

1487
00:56:57,510 --> 00:56:55,680
that any of that [\h__\h] is functioning to

1488
00:57:01,510 --> 00:56:57,520
the level that we used to believe that

1489
00:57:04,309 --> 00:57:03,030
when is it ever

1490
00:57:08,630 --> 00:57:04,319
exactly

1491
00:57:09,510 --> 00:57:08,640
twas ever thus yes well you so

1492
00:57:13,990 --> 00:57:09,520
you know

1493
00:57:16,309 --> 00:57:14,000
but with that said it's the best we got

1494
00:57:18,710 --> 00:57:16,319
it's the best we got so i've just got to

1495
00:57:20,309 --> 00:57:18,720
deal with what is put in front of me and

1496
00:57:23,829 --> 00:57:20,319
so when i see

1497
00:57:26,870 --> 00:57:23,839
congressional lawmakers who are on top

1498
00:57:29,190 --> 00:57:26,880
level security committees going into

1499
00:57:31,950 --> 00:57:29,200
classified briefings and then coming out

1500
00:57:35,190 --> 00:57:31,960
and writing legislation that is

1501
00:57:37,750 --> 00:57:35,200
specifically asking the

1502
00:57:39,910 --> 00:57:37,760
all branches of the military for more

1503
00:57:43,349 --> 00:57:39,920
information and more clarity on the

1504
00:57:45,910 --> 00:57:43,359
topic of unidentified aerial phenomena

1505
00:57:48,549 --> 00:57:45,920
i think that is not an

1506
00:57:51,109 --> 00:57:48,559
op i think that's genuine curiosity

1507
00:57:54,069 --> 00:57:51,119
after being exposed to some fantastic

1508
00:57:56,630 --> 00:57:54,079
information that's what i think that is

1509
00:57:58,549 --> 00:57:56,640
and we can sit here and discuss until

1510
00:58:01,750 --> 00:57:58,559
we're blue in the face how broken the

1511
00:58:04,069 --> 00:58:01,760
system is but that's the only piece of

1512
00:58:06,950 --> 00:58:04,079
legislation that i've seen

1513
00:58:10,470 --> 00:58:06,960
in a while where both sides of the aisle

1514
00:58:13,109 --> 00:58:10,480
voted on it and passed it with almost

1515
00:58:14,950 --> 00:58:13,119
zero resistance from anyone

1516
00:58:18,789 --> 00:58:14,960
and i don't think

1517
00:58:23,430 --> 00:58:18,799
you need to make up a fantastic ufo

1518
00:58:26,069 --> 00:58:23,440
story or office or anything to get

1519
00:58:27,829 --> 00:58:26,079
congressional funding for for the war

1520
00:58:29,910 --> 00:58:27,839
machine like they're going to get their

1521
00:58:31,910 --> 00:58:29,920
funding no matter what

1522
00:58:35,030 --> 00:58:31,920
every year the funding for the war

1523
00:58:38,150 --> 00:58:35,040
machine goes up with or without ufos

1524
00:58:40,069 --> 00:58:38,160
so when i see these lawmakers

1525
00:58:42,390 --> 00:58:40,079
going into these meetings and coming out

1526
00:58:45,270 --> 00:58:42,400
and writing legislation but not but also

1527
00:58:46,789 --> 00:58:45,280
the legislation is written in a way that

1528
00:58:48,870 --> 00:58:46,799
holds these

1529
00:58:51,750 --> 00:58:48,880
apparatuses accountable if they don't

1530
00:58:53,349 --> 00:58:51,760
cooperate but we don't know

1531
00:58:55,670 --> 00:58:53,359
how that's going to turn out because the

1532
00:58:57,990 --> 00:58:55,680
office literally is being made as we

1533
00:59:00,309 --> 00:58:58,000
speak we have to be patient it is a

1534
00:59:03,270 --> 00:59:00,319
process that is not perfect

1535
00:59:04,950 --> 00:59:03,280
never has been and it never will be

1536
00:59:07,270 --> 00:59:04,960
many have tried to make the perfect

1537
00:59:08,309 --> 00:59:07,280
government it doesn't it it doesn't

1538
00:59:10,309 --> 00:59:08,319
exist

1539
00:59:12,230 --> 00:59:10,319
it doesn't it doesn't represent everyone

1540
00:59:14,230 --> 00:59:12,240
i mean look at our own domestic issues

1541
00:59:17,910 --> 00:59:14,240
that we have especially here in

1542
00:59:20,309 --> 00:59:17,920
california we have a homeless epidemic

1543
00:59:22,309 --> 00:59:20,319
it's literally on my front doorstep i

1544
00:59:23,829 --> 00:59:22,319
walk out to it

1545
00:59:26,150 --> 00:59:23,839
and

1546
00:59:30,630 --> 00:59:26,160
you could

1547
00:59:35,430 --> 00:59:30,640
one jet

1548
00:59:38,069 --> 00:59:35,440
out of the budget and put that and not

1549
00:59:42,309 --> 00:59:38,079
just one of you one one time and that's

1550
00:59:44,230 --> 00:59:42,319
it one jet every year for life you cut

1551
00:59:45,990 --> 00:59:44,240
out of the budget and you put that

1552
00:59:47,510 --> 00:59:46,000
towards solving the homeless crisis in

1553
00:59:49,910 --> 00:59:47,520
the united states

1554
00:59:51,589 --> 00:59:49,920
you solve it well what is that what does

1555
00:59:54,069 --> 00:59:51,599
that tell you what does that tell you

1556
00:59:56,230 --> 00:59:54,079
hey well i hear you i hear you man i

1557
00:59:59,030 --> 00:59:56,240
hear no it's not perfect but i'm gonna

1558
01:00:01,190 --> 00:59:59,040
i'm gonna fight to try and get more data

1559
01:00:03,270 --> 01:00:01,200
from the collection agencies that i know

1560
01:00:05,190 --> 01:00:03,280
have the data and i know i'm going to

1561
01:00:07,190 --> 01:00:05,200
run into a lot of roadblocks i'm going

1562
01:00:08,470 --> 01:00:07,200
to get a lot of obfuscation but every

1563
01:00:10,549 --> 01:00:08,480
once in a while we're going to get a

1564
01:00:12,390 --> 01:00:10,559
really good nugget from the fro they're

1565
01:00:14,630 --> 01:00:12,400
going to slip up especially through the

1566
01:00:17,030 --> 01:00:14,640
foia process and through requesting and

1567
01:00:19,270 --> 01:00:17,040
calling these lawmakers and being a

1568
01:00:20,789 --> 01:00:19,280
pester to them and asking questions and

1569
01:00:22,470 --> 01:00:20,799
demanding that they give us answers

1570
01:00:24,630 --> 01:00:22,480
every year and asking for public

1571
01:00:26,710 --> 01:00:24,640
hearings and asking for things that we

1572
01:00:29,750 --> 01:00:26,720
know we should get

1573
01:00:33,030 --> 01:00:29,760
i believe that yes that that republic is

1574
01:00:36,069 --> 01:00:33,040
still intact i believe that that process

1575
01:00:37,270 --> 01:00:36,079
as terrible as it is at some level still

1576
01:00:40,309 --> 01:00:37,280
works

1577
01:00:42,710 --> 01:00:40,319
um if i did it i wouldn't live here

1578
01:00:43,750 --> 01:00:42,720
that's that's awesome i i totally

1579
01:00:45,589 --> 01:00:43,760
totally

1580
01:00:48,069 --> 01:00:45,599
commend you and agree with you at a

1581
01:00:50,950 --> 01:00:48,079
fundamental level it's like

1582
01:00:53,030 --> 01:00:50,960
the only possible way out

1583
01:00:54,230 --> 01:00:53,040
is to believe the

1584
01:00:55,589 --> 01:00:54,240
ideals

1585
01:00:57,589 --> 01:00:55,599
is to believe

1586
01:00:59,910 --> 01:00:57,599
you know a force for good you know the

1587
01:01:01,670 --> 01:00:59,920
navy used to run those ads a long time

1588
01:01:04,150 --> 01:01:01,680
ago they changed the byline now but it

1589
01:01:05,430 --> 01:01:04,160
used to be the big naval ship out in the

1590
01:01:08,309 --> 01:01:05,440
water

1591
01:01:11,430 --> 01:01:08,319
burning away billions of dollars a year

1592
01:01:14,069 --> 01:01:11,440
rather than but but the tagline was a

1593
01:01:16,230 --> 01:01:14,079
force for good and i think

1594
01:01:17,750 --> 01:01:16,240
i love that idealism that you have

1595
01:01:18,870 --> 01:01:17,760
because it's our only way out is to

1596
01:01:20,470 --> 01:01:18,880
maintain

1597
01:01:22,069 --> 01:01:20,480
hold them accountable to what we're

1598
01:01:23,829 --> 01:01:22,079
supposed to be

1599
01:01:25,829 --> 01:01:23,839
what it what the republic is supposed to

1600
01:01:28,069 --> 01:01:25,839
do and that's what i hear you saying

1601
01:01:30,230 --> 01:01:28,079
you've been super uh open i mean you

1602
01:01:32,309 --> 01:01:30,240
don't dodge one kind of thing and one

1603
01:01:33,990 --> 01:01:32,319
question tell us so you're going to

1604
01:01:36,390 --> 01:01:34,000
reboot a little bit you know just

1605
01:01:37,990 --> 01:01:36,400
restart the show the end of this month

1606
01:01:39,109 --> 01:01:38,000
where are you going with it what's

1607
01:01:41,349 --> 01:01:39,119
coming up

1608
01:01:42,789 --> 01:01:41,359
big phone home campaign how did that go

1609
01:01:44,870 --> 01:01:42,799
what's the next

1610
01:01:47,670 --> 01:01:44,880
the next run of that what's going on

1611
01:01:52,069 --> 01:01:47,680
yeah um well so that's great because we

1612
01:01:54,470 --> 01:01:52,079
had a production meeting yesterday um

1613
01:01:57,190 --> 01:01:54,480
the um we're gonna be yeah we took a

1614
01:01:58,870 --> 01:01:57,200
break for the last month and um

1615
01:02:00,069 --> 01:01:58,880
just because you know it's not just me

1616
01:02:01,829 --> 01:02:00,079
that does the show i have two other

1617
01:02:02,789 --> 01:02:01,839
co-hosts i've got a producer i've got

1618
01:02:04,710 --> 01:02:02,799
there's a bunch of other people that

1619
01:02:07,029 --> 01:02:04,720
help me do the show

1620
01:02:08,710 --> 01:02:07,039
and so asking these guys to volunteer

1621
01:02:09,510 --> 01:02:08,720
their time three days a week two hours a

1622
01:02:11,910 --> 01:02:09,520
day

1623
01:02:13,270 --> 01:02:11,920
yeah that's a lot of time um and i

1624
01:02:14,950 --> 01:02:13,280
didn't want to burn anybody out i didn't

1625
01:02:16,710 --> 01:02:14,960
want to burn myself out so we decided to

1626
01:02:19,270 --> 01:02:16,720
hey let's take

1627
01:02:21,750 --> 01:02:19,280
this three show a week schedule let's

1628
01:02:24,069 --> 01:02:21,760
knock it down to one and and we'll still

1629
01:02:26,390 --> 01:02:24,079
be doing other episodes about other

1630
01:02:27,589 --> 01:02:26,400
things in between those one-a-week

1631
01:02:29,910 --> 01:02:27,599
episodes

1632
01:02:33,190 --> 01:02:31,349
so yeah we're going to be doing really

1633
01:02:35,589 --> 01:02:33,200
cool segments we've come up with a lot

1634
01:02:37,670 --> 01:02:35,599
of funny stuff uh you know obviously

1635
01:02:40,230 --> 01:02:37,680
things like you know ufo video of the

1636
01:02:42,630 --> 01:02:40,240
week who do you got coming up well so

1637
01:02:44,470 --> 01:02:42,640
first first step episode back we're

1638
01:02:45,990 --> 01:02:44,480
gonna have brandon fuegle uh second

1639
01:02:48,470 --> 01:02:46,000
episode we're gonna be having stephen

1640
01:02:50,870 --> 01:02:48,480
green street uh we're looking working on

1641
01:02:54,230 --> 01:02:50,880
a few other um

1642
01:02:55,589 --> 01:02:54,240
i guess i've confirmed that should

1643
01:02:58,150 --> 01:02:55,599
confirm here in the next day or two

1644
01:02:59,750 --> 01:02:58,160
reece darby who's uh the actor from

1645
01:03:02,789 --> 01:02:59,760
flight of the concords really really

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01:03:03,589 --> 01:03:02,799
funny guy dave foley um

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uh

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01:03:08,470 --> 01:03:06,079
we'll be having avilo back we'll be

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01:03:10,230 --> 01:03:08,480
we'll be really catering the discussion

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01:03:10,550 --> 01:03:10,240
to

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um

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01:03:15,349 --> 01:03:12,960
[Applause]

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01:03:17,510 --> 01:03:15,359
the sort of this the the scientific and

1654
01:03:19,430 --> 01:03:17,520
political aspect of the discussions and

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01:03:21,430 --> 01:03:19,440
then of course we'll be breaking down

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01:03:23,990 --> 01:03:21,440
daily news or any sort of current events

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01:03:25,510 --> 01:03:24,000
that happens around the topic um so yeah

1658
01:03:28,870 --> 01:03:25,520
i mean that's basically the new format

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01:03:30,470 --> 01:03:28,880
of the show uh you know we'll we'll be

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01:03:33,029 --> 01:03:30,480
doing interviews for an hour

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01:03:35,109 --> 01:03:33,039
opening up uh the second hour to uh to

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01:03:37,270 --> 01:03:35,119
talk about other things current events

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01:03:39,270 --> 01:03:37,280
and also just uh different segments that

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uh ideas that we that we're coming up

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01:03:42,230 --> 01:03:40,000
with

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and just add a little bit of production

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01:03:46,789 --> 01:03:45,119
more production level to the overall

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01:03:49,190 --> 01:03:46,799
show um

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01:03:51,190 --> 01:03:49,200
you know the the thing the thing that i

1670
01:03:52,870 --> 01:03:51,200
you know being an actor i've written

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01:03:54,230 --> 01:03:52,880
i've directed i've produced things i've

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01:03:57,190 --> 01:03:54,240
edited things

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01:03:59,190 --> 01:03:57,200
um you know i'm really

1674
01:04:01,430 --> 01:03:59,200
a big big advocate of making sure that

1675
01:04:04,470 --> 01:04:01,440
the show always looks good sounds good

1676
01:04:07,589 --> 01:04:04,480
this is entertaining and fun so

1677
01:04:10,390 --> 01:04:07,599
um with more time during the week to be

1678
01:04:12,630 --> 01:04:10,400
able to edit things and think of

1679
01:04:14,230 --> 01:04:12,640
different ideas and different uh

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01:04:15,510 --> 01:04:14,240
work on different initiatives like the

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01:04:19,190 --> 01:04:15,520
big phone home

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01:04:20,870 --> 01:04:19,200
um and uh and things like that so so

1683
01:04:22,150 --> 01:04:20,880
yeah so that's basically what i've been

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01:04:24,230 --> 01:04:22,160
doing for the last month it's just

1685
01:04:26,309 --> 01:04:24,240
relaxing and sort of thinking of

1686
01:04:28,069 --> 01:04:26,319
how to redo the show so that's that's

1687
01:04:29,910 --> 01:04:28,079
the way we're going to be doing it and

1688
01:04:32,789 --> 01:04:29,920
then um i think we've come up with a

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01:04:34,950 --> 01:04:32,799
date for the big phone on three

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01:04:38,950 --> 01:04:34,960
which is tentatively

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01:04:40,630 --> 01:04:38,960
august 19th friday august 19th of 2022.

1692
01:04:42,789 --> 01:04:40,640
uh we'll be doing another big phone home

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01:04:45,349 --> 01:04:42,799
event and and just to give you a little

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01:04:47,430 --> 01:04:45,359
bit of especially for the the the

1695
01:04:49,029 --> 01:04:47,440
naysayers that are

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01:04:50,630 --> 01:04:49,039
writing your representatives calling

1697
01:04:52,870 --> 01:04:50,640
your representatives it never does

1698
01:04:55,270 --> 01:04:52,880
anything it never changes anything i'll

1699
01:04:57,510 --> 01:04:55,280
remind you in 2013

1700
01:04:59,510 --> 01:04:57,520
when president obama was thinking about

1701
01:05:01,990 --> 01:04:59,520
putting boots on the ground in syria and

1702
01:05:03,990 --> 01:05:02,000
people were already super fatigued of

1703
01:05:05,589 --> 01:05:04,000
war in iraq especially

1704
01:05:07,510 --> 01:05:05,599
um

1705
01:05:09,670 --> 01:05:07,520
they were contemplating about putting

1706
01:05:12,789 --> 01:05:09,680
more troops in syria and what happened

1707
01:05:15,029 --> 01:05:12,799
do you remember what happened

1708
01:05:17,670 --> 01:05:15,039
the american people were so pissed off

1709
01:05:19,109 --> 01:05:17,680
at the idea of putting troops in syria

1710
01:05:21,190 --> 01:05:19,119
that they called and they wrote their

1711
01:05:23,270 --> 01:05:21,200
representatives and guess what happened

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01:05:26,950 --> 01:05:23,280
not one single

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01:05:29,589 --> 01:05:26,960
us soldier was put in syria

1714
01:05:31,430 --> 01:05:29,599
you know like the the idea that

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01:05:33,990 --> 01:05:31,440
the many of us

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01:05:34,870 --> 01:05:34,000
have we do have the power when it comes

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01:05:45,190 --> 01:05:34,880
to

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01:05:48,069 --> 01:05:45,200
us well like we're saying whether we do

1719
01:05:50,150 --> 01:05:48,079
or not we have to act as if we do

1720
01:05:52,150 --> 01:05:50,160
because there really is no other option

1721
01:05:54,710 --> 01:05:52,160
so uh yeah rather than yelling other

1722
01:05:56,950 --> 01:05:54,720
than yelling into a hurricane yeah there

1723
01:05:59,029 --> 01:05:56,960
are no other options you know like

1724
01:06:01,029 --> 01:05:59,039
this is this is these are the tools in

1725
01:06:03,029 --> 01:06:01,039
the in the system that has been put in

1726
01:06:05,589 --> 01:06:03,039
place they were put in long before any

1727
01:06:08,309 --> 01:06:05,599
of us got here and they'll run long

1728
01:06:11,349 --> 01:06:08,319
after we're gone and dust in the ground

1729
01:06:13,349 --> 01:06:11,359
um or different versions of it uh but

1730
01:06:16,230 --> 01:06:13,359
you know we gotta work with what we got

1731
01:06:17,349 --> 01:06:16,240
that's that's the best i can do

1732
01:06:18,789 --> 01:06:17,359
great

1733
01:06:20,069 --> 01:06:18,799
well good luck

1734
01:06:22,150 --> 01:06:20,079
be watching

1735
01:06:23,270 --> 01:06:22,160
cheering you on and uh thanks so much

1736
01:06:24,789 --> 01:06:23,280
for doing this

1737
01:06:27,589 --> 01:06:24,799
yeah absolutely it was an absolute

1738
01:06:29,430 --> 01:06:27,599
pleasure a very fun discussion

1739
01:06:32,390 --> 01:06:29,440
thanks again to lou for joining me today

1740
01:06:34,470 --> 01:06:32,400
on skeptico the one question i'd tee up

1741
01:06:37,109 --> 01:06:34,480
from this interview

1742
01:06:39,270 --> 01:06:37,119
is it possible that this thin veneer of

1743
01:06:42,069 --> 01:06:39,280
a story that's being offered up

1744
01:06:45,430 --> 01:06:42,079
regarding ufos in et

1745
01:06:48,150 --> 01:06:45,440
is really in the interest of the greater

1746
01:06:51,190 --> 01:06:48,160
good or at least the greater good of the

1747
01:06:53,349 --> 01:06:51,200
good old u.s of a

1748
01:06:55,829 --> 01:06:53,359
let me know your thoughts

1749
01:06:58,270 --> 01:06:55,839
and until next time take care

1750
01:07:11,800 --> 01:06:58,280
and bye for now